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« on: 20.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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Rachel Entwistle, born 14 December 1978 at 10:04 AM in Weymouth MA
 
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In The Year of Magical Thinking, her book about losing her beloved husband, Joan Didion repeats a refrain: "Life changes in an instant." Life changes in an instant for most of us, but there is perhaps no more terrifying way than to have a loved one murdered. The recent double-homicide of a beautiful young vibrant woman and her baby daughter has caught people's attention in many countries. We present Rachel Entwistle's chart for your astrological insights. It will be interesting to come back to her chart as the case unfolds. As we examine her chart for clues to her life and death, let's remember that her family and friends mourn for her, that all the facts have not yet been revealed and no one has been convicted of her murder.
  • Where in the chart would you see her attraction to the law and to teaching as career paths? What describes her intellectual ability, her fascination with the past and her athletic abilities?
  • She and her husband seemed to have had some financial difficulties; if she suspected that money was a problem, she didn't seem to confide in anyone. In fact, her husband reportedly kept many things from her. What can we learn from her chart about the quality of their relationship and their financial situation?
  • Is there anything in the chart that might have provided a sign that her life was in danger? Or that her child might be killed?
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #1 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Beth Havens
 
North node 8th house, public eye in death.  
Saturn 8th house, father time in house of death and regen, not the best of placements.  
though I would think that her life up to her death was one filled with friends, travel, and relatively good living. nice placement of sun, jupiter, venus, etc. I hope her end was in her sleep, such a tragic end for such a happy child.  
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #2 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Lori Ross
 
Gemini Moon or Gemini Venus is often too "unaware" due to the shallow nature of the sign {in that part of the chart}. It figures into the murderers as well {look at the charts of Laci and Scott Peterson for instance}. There is a shallow-factor that adds to both the victim and the killer. The emotions are reduced in the killer. As far as the victim, the emotions are not deep enough to either ring a BIG bell about the state of the relationship...or the victim is way too willing to compromise and accept less in the relationship since they need less emotionally {with the the Gemini}. Fact... Laci knew Scott had cheated on her ,even prior to the Amber affair. Now try that with a Scorpio or Taurus Moon woman. No way. But with Gemini ? Unfortunately yes. Not all Geminis are victims or murderers of course. And some Gemini types, depending on the whole chart, are emotionally deeper than others. But there is ALWAYS a flakiness factor of some degree {regarding being shallow} with Gemini.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #3 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Mrinal
 
Look at it from the point of view of Hindu astrology. The seventh lord Moon is aspected by the sixth and the eighth lords while a retrograde Jupiter in the seventh house is aspected by Mars. The eighth house has Saturn and Rahu. Now test the events reported according to the Vimshottari dasha scheme. Marriage (JUP-SAT-VEN) There she met Neil in 1999; they married August 10, 2003 at 5 PM in Plymouth, MA Birth of the baby (JUP-MER-MER) Their baby Lillian Rose was born April 9, 2005 at 12:57 AM in England according to her birth announcement which the parents proudly placed on their personal website. Murder JUP-MER-SUN-SAT-MARS American homicide victim, she and her 9-month daughter were found dead in their home in Hopkinton, MA at 6:30 PM local time on January 22, 2006 The dasha was of Jupiter-Mer-Sun-Sat-Mars On 22 January 2006 Saturn was at fourteen degrees and eighteen minutes in Cancer where her birth Jupiter is placed at fourteen degrees and fifty five minutes. In turn, Mars from Aries aspects this Saturn in the seventh house, in transit, showed extreme fatality
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #4 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Antoinette Vawter
 
A forceful quartet of planets opposed the H.5 Moon when transit Pluto joined Neptune, Sun and Mars all equidistant from one another. That Moon, along with Mercury, denotes Lillian. The Full Moon on 14 Jan. had antiscion conjunct this Mercury activating matters of the baby and death (rules H. 8) and operated from the hidden, sorrowful H. 12, quincunx natal Moon. This is considered a death angle. (Lillian was born on a solar eclipse square Saturn, so the natal threat was about to see fulfillment.) Rachel is blindsided with transit Neptune in her First House afflicting transit Mars, a signature of treachery & betrayal and afflicting Jupiter on her Uranus, a signature of the easy mark. Natal Sun at the degree of the lunar nodes brings fatality & catastrophe, further, they are in square. The Sun was 29 deg. of Capricorn until 12:15, 20 Jan. in partile square to Neil Entwistle's desperate Mars. His Mercury is conjunct Rachel's H. 8 Saturn, again partile. Certainly debt the size of transit Uranus in Rachel's H.2 qunicunx transit Saturn on her marital Jupiter could not be ignored. That, she was aware of as much of it was hers. Rachel & Neil also share the conjunction of Venus and Uranus in Scorpio, which takes license. The position of that conjunction in her Tenth House attracts much social (Venus) excitement and shock (Uranus) over this case.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #5 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Therese Hamilton
 
I had to work all day, and this evening I see we have a new newsmaker! Does this mean the research discussion is finished then? I just read the excellent summary statements by Terri and Paula, and Terri touched on some very important problems of research. Anyhow, I think we're all just a little wiser now about astrological research.
Now back to Rachel...
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #6 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Zart
 
What stands out to me in her natal is that both Luminaries in tight square with nodes. Her Sun sign's ruler Jupiter (with Fortuna conjunct) in tight opposition to ASC and semisquare to Moon and n-Node. Jupiter is conjunct fixed star Asellus Austral a star sometimes associated with violent death. ASC semisquare Sun and s-Node. This makes an incredible square situation. For her marriage would have been an intense existence where she may have felt a fated overtone to everything surrounding it. Venus assuming the highest point (tropical Koch) and square ASC and Jupiter gives me the impression that she was someone that drew attention to herself but because it isn't conjunct her MC it wasn't something she consciously used to her advantage.  
The chart ruler Saturn (traditional) conjunct Jupiter by transit around the time of the murder. In the months prior she may not have been the most pleasant person to be with as Pluto was in transit across her natal Sun and she was undergoing a lengthy transformative experience. Perhaps she was no longer the "girl he married".
Lillian's natal Sun/Moon/Venus/n-Node Stellum square Saturn she must have been a little firecracker that kept her mother very busy.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #7 - on: 23.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Ouranos
 
This is a tragic pairing. I noted both mother and child have their midpoints of Saturn-Pluto in early Libra. Rachel's Sat/Pl mdpt is 1 Lib while Lillian Rose's is at 7 Libra. The Moon and tr So Node were at 7 deg Libra during the period of the murder.
Additionally Rachel's Mars makes a square to her Sat/PL mdpt which is indication of brutality and violence. Her Su/Mo mdpt is 22 Vi, in her fated 8th hse and conj the No Node.
At the time of murder Rachel's Merc (ruler of 8th)had progressed to conj Mars, compounding the danger of Mars=Sat/PL. Sat/Uran can be a very stressful condition and Rachel's PL was conj Sat/Uran mdpt, another indication of violence, brutality and major harm.
Rachel's Saturn also is sqr to her Sun/Merc mdpt which rule the 7th hse of partners and 5th hse of children. Merc also rules the close of life as well as 5th hse of children hence linking her with her child's demise and the partner (7th).  
Tr Jup-Mars opposition on her R's Uranus indicates a sudden, major occurance and combined with tr Mo on her Sat/PL mdpt in her 8 H the explosion was final.
I detect there is much more involved here than just the mate's income woes. Tr Saturn on R's 7th hse Jupt can indicate a mate's major depression but I think I would examine all possible persons b4 assuming her husband did it. He may have been fleeing for his life too. All the Gemini-Virgo, Mercury relationships indicate some real mysteries and untold stories. Merc also sits on Rachel's Ven/Mars mdpt. R's Sun exact sqr to Nodes in Vir-Pis suggests some type of criminal activity possibly involving drugs.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #8 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Muralidhar Rao
 
As per Hindu Vedic Rachel's Jupiter is exalted in cancer in 7th house. But it is retrograde which is not good for any planet. Unfortunately she died an infamous death at her husband's hands. 7th house is house of spouse. This only happened because of the bad placements of other planets in evil houses as per Hindu vedic.
Ruler of 7th house of spouse (moon) is placed in 6th house which is an enemy house. In her case her husband himself is the enemy. Also ruler of the ascendant(capricorn as per Hindu)Saturn is located in the evil house of death(8th) along with its arch enemy Rahu or North Node in the 8th house. This in itself indicates a very short life and a violent sudden unnatural death(sign Leo)
Also Mars in her case being a warrior planet because having been situated in Saggittarius is located in all places the 12th house, the worst house any planet can be. This suggested utter defeat in war and she lost the war to none other than her own husband who showed no mercy and executed her.
Also Jupiter even though exalted is retrograde and is the lord of 12th and 3rd houses, again bad houses is in the house of marraige. Which gave her a wicked but deadly spouse, who is also very infamous. Jupiter is in the 7th exalted but retrograde. 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th are bad houses intensity wise in that order.
Venus is powerful in libra and is in of all places 10th house (ruling its own house) which made her known to the public and made her famous in death. Uranus is also in 10th which gave her sudden fame in death.
Sun, Mercury and Neptune are in scorpio(psychos) in the 11th(friends) which made her to develop friendship with a viscious psychopath who fulfilled her destiny brought upon by the evil influences of the other planets in evil houses.  
Ruler of the 5th house(children)is Venus which is in 10th house of publicity along with Uranus. Her child also became famous in death.
Saturn is a karmic planet and being in the 8th along with the demon Rahu(node)suggests her death along with her baby's had a lot to do with bad karma from previous lives where all three souls were deeply involved intricately.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #9 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Muralidhar Rao
 
Answer to question 3 regarding baby.
As per Hindu vedic. Sun, mercury and Neptune are all in scorpio and are aspecting the 5th house(children) from the 11th. 11th house is also a bad house and the aspect from the sign scorpio was deadly and violent upon the baby. Ruler of the 5th (Venus) is in conjunction with the evil, eccentric and unpredictable planet Uranus in the 10th, which was not good for the baby. Saturn being a powerful malefic(lord of ascendant) is throwing a 3rd house evil aspect on Venus which is the 5th lord of children, once again bad for the baby. More can be known from the baby's horoscope. Ruler of the 5th being Venus in Libra, the baby turned out to be a very beautiful baby girl.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #10 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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Does anyone happen to have the husband's birth data yet?
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #11 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Therese Hamilton
 
For Rachel's intellectual ability, I look directly at Mercury. Here Mercury is near an equal house cusp, the 11th (so Mercury is active in the chart), and it receives the trine of an exalted and very angular Jupiter. Also from the navamsa Mercury falls very close to the natal 10th cusp. These factors are all Mercury needs to be strong in Rachel's chart.
For her attraction to law and teaching, using my usual chart keys, Venus, lord of 5th (relates to the authority of being a teacher, working with children) is just at the top of the chart near the 10th cusp. Venus is in Libra, the sign of the balance (law) and receives the close square of Jupiter--the planet of law (Jupiter having made the laws for all the other gods) angular on the 7th cusp. In the navamsa the Moon is in Libra with Saturn, another suggestion of law. (Sidereal signs)
For athletic ability, I'd look to Mars. I wouldn't see athletic ability without the navamsa chart. In the navamsa Mars is in Gemini (the mythological Gemini twins excelling in athletics), and it falls near the natal 5th cusp along with navamsa Ketu. These planets here also suggests the death of a child through murder. (I'd suggest this only in retrospect, of course.) Also the lord of 5th, Venus, is conjunct Uranus and squared by the angular malefic Jupiter, suggesting something unfortunate with children.
Now I believe that most tropical astrologers would expect that Jupiter to be highly benefic, especially if it were exalted in Cancer, as it is sidereally. However, because Rahel has Capricorn rising, Jupiter is considered to be both a death inflicting planet and a dire malefic for that ascendant sign. (Jupiter has malefic house rulerships, the 12th and 3rd)  
Also the 7th cusp is the very weakest position for Jupiter in the entire chart if Jupiter is to act in a benefic way, since Jupiter has maximum strength (as per Jyotish) on the ascendant. (For example, both Charles Manson and Jim Jones have Jupiter in the 7th.)
So there are two indications that the 7th house might bring trouble: (1) Jupiter in the 7th disposited by the extemely cuspal Moon and 2) Venus, lord of relationships with Uranus and squared by malefic Jupiter.
As for Rachel's emotional nature, Lori Ross discussed her Gemini Moon. Although I don't look at the Moon in quite that way, in the sidereal Krishnamurti zodiac the Moon is *extremely* critical, as it is in one minute of Gemini, an extreme cuspal position, and opposed by Mars. (This Mars aspect could also relate to Rachel's athletic ability.) Emotions that aren't quite normal could be suggested by this cuspal Moon. This Moon is also lord of the 7th house, the husband or marriage.
The only place I'd know where to look for Rachel's life being in danger is the solar return (precessed tropical/sidereal). And the suggestion is there: A degree close to the natal 12th cusp rises which puts natal Mars on the solar return ascendant. The transiting nodes are closely square the SR ascendant, Ketu/S node in 10th and Rah/N node in 4th. In Rachel's natal chart Mars is the 4th lord, the 4th being the traditional house of endings. I've seen the 4th implicated many times for the year of death.
Other solar return positions: SR Pluto is near the ascendant and SR Saturn is near the 8th cusp squaring the SR ascendant lord, Jupiter. Did Rachel's husband kill her? I couldn't answer that question without more detailed study of the charts, and this murder is too depressing to dwell upon any longer.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #12 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Suzanne Levinson
 
The ruler of her eighth house of death is posited in her tenth house, indicating that her death would be known world-wide.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #13 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bettina Woolard
 
It's interesting that we have 2 charts in a row of young, bright American women who went to England and there met their husbands, who were natives of that country. In both cases the men appear to be rather villainous, though we don't know for a fact that Rachel's husband did the deed, and in the case of Sylvia, he may have been blamed unfairly. They were both young mothers at the times of their deaths.  
With Sun in the 11th house of gain and Venus in its own sign and angular, making it a rajayoga for a Capricorn asc, the life Rachel had was a fortunate one. As far as an early and disasterous death, the culprit would have to be asc ruler Saturn cnj Rahu in 8th. Pluto crosses over from the navamsa chart onto natal Saturn, too. Another person comes to mind, and that's Chandra Levy, the young woman who was working as an intern for a congressman whose murdered body was found in a park in Washington, DC. She also had asc ruler in 8th. In her case it was the Moon and I believe it was cnj or aspected by Saturn. Have to dig her chart out and have a look.  
Yep, that lovely exalted Jupiter in 7th was aspected by Mars in 12th. And 7th ruler Moon was also aspected by Mars and in the 6th, 12th from the 7th. We still don't know for a fact that her husband done it, there were some hateful comments about her on the internet, but the 7th house has to do with dealings with "the other", not just the spouse.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #14 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User lucia connelly
 
Rachael has the chart of an adventuress, liking forigen travel and 'fell in love' with a forigen mate, but became disillusioned with the birth of their baby the real victim. Rachel's nodes, (leo& aquarius) in aspect with eclipse,(sag& gemini) so she was fairly with it, trendy, loved stimulation. Also mars in capricorn is hard hitting martial placement, 9/11 and the start of operation Iraqi freedom. If only her love of children, 5th house moon, had kept her teaching and out of this mess. She out of a 11 house uranus, ruler of her assendent, married a psychopath.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #15 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Therese
 
Bettina, what did you mean--"hateful comments about her on the internet?" Was this something about her personality? I'm wondering because Jupiter in the 7th seems never to be good for the native him/herself. And Rachel's Moon isn't the least bit comforable.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #16 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
full moon in sag is a restless one. the full moon is making it's closest aspect to jupiter at 8 leo 28, increasing rachels restlessness..her saturn in the 8th suggests a fear of change, combined with her restlessness this would produce a certain tension or push/pull dynamic that would be hard to live with.. the jupiter aspects to the full moon could explain the attraction to law, teaching and her athletic ability.
both rachel and the little girl lillian{using york as birthplace} have saturn in the 8th house, which is often suggestive of financial difficulty, combined with a fear of change. perhaps having a child was an attempt at stabilizing her relationship with her husband.. lillian was born a few hours after the solar eclipse of april 2005.. her chart has saturn in the 8th at the top of a t square involving the new moon opp jupiter. her sun is opp rachels pluto-suggestive of a plutoian relationship on the part of the mother and going with what i have suggested above regarding the nature of rachels relationship to her husband {pluto in libra}.
i think pluto in libra describes an important part of her relationship.. the fact her daughter was born on a transit to her pluto puts more emphasis on this.. combined with the saturn in the 8th house of both the mother and daughters chart implies some large issues around fear. fear of change, fear towards her partner on an emotional level and perhaps holding back from him out of fear of the repurcusions implied in sharing...
for the time of death transiting saturn is within a minute or two of her jupiter at 8 leo 28. one could say what is implied in her natal chart is expressed in the transit of saturn over her jupiter, the planet most connected to her full moon chart by hard aspect. this is the push/pull polarity of jupiter/saturn which forms a dynamic in everyones chart of either balance, imbalance or something inbetween..
the solar eclpse of mar 29/06 has mars at 21 gemini 05 opp rachels sun at 22 sag 16, with mercury at 13 pisces 51 exactly opp her saturn at 13 virgo 50 fwiw.. in my studies on solar eclipse data, it seems they apply to a persons chart in advance of their arrival time wise.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #17 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
btw- pluto is at the mars/jupiter midpoint fwiw..
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #18 - on: 24.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bettina Woolard
 
Therese, you asked me what I meant by angry comments. I heard it on TV, the news or Larry King, I dont' remember, but someone had posted hostile remarks about her on the internet ... I don't know on what on the internet. Someone was mad at her; it might have had something to do with some business deal that the person thought she'd cheated them on. The couple was into dealing in porn. I wish I knew more. Maybe more will come out about it.
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re: Rachel Entwistle
« Reply #19 - on: 25.02.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Sapphire
 
Neil Entwistle was born on September 18, 1978 in Nottinghamshire, England.
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