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« on: 28.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Gordon Brown, born 20 February 1951 at 08:40 AM in Giffnock
 
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On June 27, 2007 Gordon Brown fulfilled his long-time ambition to become Prime Minister of England. He comes to the office from a long stint as Chancellor of the Exchequer, overseeing financial and economic affairs for the country. His immediate predecessor is of course Tony Blair whose popularity has waned significantly, in large part because of his alliance with the US on Iraq. One of Brown's initiatives then will have to be to restore voter confidence in his party while he deals with escalating tensions in the Middle East. And, of course, he must handle all the other responsibilities of his office while fending off his opponents. Let's look at Brown's chart this week to see what he brings to the table.
  • When you look at Brown's chart, your eye is immediately drawn to that packed 12th house. As Richard Smoot wrote to me in an e-mail, Brown "has more Pisces than a sushi bar and a 12th house more packed than Freud's dreams." How do you interpret the 12th house? What does this 12th house Pisces influence tell us about Brown's personality, his significant life events and choices, and his leadership style?  
  • Brown and George Bush will be an interesting pair to watch. Both have strong positions in the 12th house. How will this pair of world leaders get on with each other? What observations can you make about their relationship and their leadership styles by studying their charts in synastry? (Bush's chart is here: [was_link] http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BushGeorgeW.htm[/was_link])
  • Nick Assinder, BBC correspondent, wrote on the BBC website on May 11, 2007: "On a personal level, he [Brown] is regularly caricatured as a private, introspective, moody and self-sufficient individual whose ideal team consists of just one and who, when crossed, bears a grudge." Where do these qualities show up in Brown's chart? Where is the brilliant orator who can flay his opponents with his biting wit? Where is the analytical statistician in the chart? The control freak?
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« Reply #1 - on: 28.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Kent-SunLibraMoonLeo
 
I'll go just to get things started (Placidus Houses)
The ego complex (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter) involves half the planets in his chart, making Pisces interests, attitudes, and strengths a powerful conscious focus and intent. With Pisces, he would naturally have sympathy for the working class demonstrated by his leadership in the Labor party. His liberal politics may also have deep family roots. Planets in the 12th, Liz Greene tells us, represent an ancestral heritage or family daimon. It's a force, often unlived by your ancestors, but which has built up over time a strong urge to manifest and cannot be denied by the person who shows up with the planet in the 12th House. Brown's purpose, the conscious intent of his ego represented by the Sun has been given a large supporting cast of helpers and could be linked to English or Scottish history in small and large ways, but always with an urge to fulfill some form of ancestral imperative. Remarkably, Tony Blair has the same 5 planets in the Twelfth House but in Gemini, Taurus and Aries so I would look for some kind of continuity or common approach between the two Prime Ministers. Interestingly, CNN contrasted their respective announcements of appointment to Leader of the Majority party. Blair they said was much more showy, a rather large production whereas Brown's announcement outside 10 Downing Street was rather quiet, almost withdrawn, very low key and with a small audience. Brown's reserved and private demeanor contrasts with Blair's enthusiasm like a drum major leading a parade.  
In Brown's chart, further structure is given by the delimiting oppositions to both of the boundary planets in his 12th House complex. The aesthetic sense is important with Venus as the trailing planet. Brown's Venus is conjunct Mars turning up the sensual, aesthetic instincts. Saturn in Venus sign and opposed puts limits on that sexual but also perhaps matures or sublimates the raw animal instinct into a finely developed aesthetic sense. I expect Brown would have a deep appreciation for some form of art, architecture or sculpture. Mercury, as leading planet of the ego complex suggests the use of the mind, language and communication in service of the Sun's purpose and solar creativity. He uses his mind to accomplish his ends.  
There is so much more in Brown's chart that deserves mention. The Moon-Pluto conjunction in Leo at the cusp of the 6th House (Placidus) is opposed to Mercury. Moon-Pluto, Mother can either kill you or make you immortal but the relationship with Mother is intense. Uranus is precisely conjunct the Nadir and trine the Sun indicating an empowering and liberating father. Neptune, ruler of the Pisces complex, is conjunct the Descendant. All 3 outer planets are important in Brown's chart indicating that he is deeply in tune with the great political and social causes of the times. Politics must come natural for him. Jupiter has no Ptolemaic aspects and thus unaspected with a tendency to remain unheard from for a while and then to surface and run away with the chart. He has no planets in Earth, making practical matters an overwhelming challenge and therefore a potential skill. Nature abhors a vacuum. This would have to be weaved into the opposing themes of such a strong presence in Pisces.
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« Reply #2 - on: 28.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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The Twelvth House of Greater Prophets augurs well for his role in forming a new government. Bothersome is Neptune retrograde on the descendent causing erroneous first impressions of people as well as other nations. Retrograde Pluto may well cause difficulty in his applying a positive flow of power to his new post as PM.Jupiter on the 11th house cusp brings friends in high positions like royalty and moon on 5th house cusp aligns the public at large with him. Destiny has matched well.
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« Reply #3 - on: 28.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Linda Bringel
 
Considering the fact Mr. Brown has lost the sight of his left eye, I believe his Sun is already in the realm of the Twelve House, which would send this person's birthtime to circa 40 minuts earlier. Some astrologers share the opinion that the Sun and the Moon influence one's eyes' health. Some consider that the Sun, for a male, has to do with the right eye, although, in a female the Sun rules her left eye. To me becomes obvious that there's some discussion about the natal Sun's correspondence related to the right or the left eye, in male or female individuals. One of the Luminars in the Twelve House quite often provokes eyes'wickness. Besides, this birthtime adjustment also justifies Gordon Brown's current nomination for Prime Minister: his Jupiter in conjunction with his Sunrising, currently transited by Uranus. Also, these 40mn. earlier in Mr. Gordon Brown's birthtime make the whole difference in his successful destiny. So, I propose this astrological adjustment to send Sunrising to around 18ºof Piscis. I know that in the UK the newborns have not the oficial birthtime inscribed in their birth certificate; it's very easy to comit some imprecision about this issue. Not to take longer, I just invite you, the reader astrologer, to look at Mr. Brown's astrological chart, as I sugest it. Thank you.
 Linda Bringel
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« Reply #4 - on: 28.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bella Liberty
 
Gordon Brown Aries Ascendant and Leo Moon, most major plants are posited in 12th house and as well as all are 8th form Moon. Tenth load Saturn is retrograde motion and posit in 7th house. According to my point of view, it is quite simple and strong chart but current transiting major planets Saturn and Jupiter positions are well support to him, that would be better than former Prime Minister Tony Blair. But prime minister Tony Blair's resignation should be betterment of his nation and beloved Queen. Also it's a honorable resignation.
**A country or a nation can dance with milk and honey only when his leadership is in the favorable period of life cycle of leaders concerned. If a head of state, whose life cycle is the unfavorable period, tries to continue consolidating his power by neglecting the worst period, his or her future as well as the history of the country concerned will be to face unavoidable bad circumstances. ** The security of a nation depends, not on the most powerful arsenal of weaponry including nuclear capability and the mighty military strength. It depends more on the destiny of the rulers of that nation. If , during the period of his leadership, his stars are on the pinnacle and enjoying the best fortune, than the nation which he leads can be assured of security, prosperity, social harmony, political stability on a all fronts. ** However if the leader happens to be in the ebb tide cycle when his star in the zodiac is on the wane and wading in the worst period of life cycle, than all his superior weaponry, the best of military strength and intelligent will fail to bring security and stability to the nation and his people. ** In my opinion, If all the leaders of the universe are at their Best and Neutral periods knowing their unfavorable period to quit, we can certainly expect a peaceful and lovely world to live in. Anyway present Prime minister Gordon Brown's chart is much favorable position than ex prime minister Tony Blair and it is favorable for Government,inner circle, increases national honor, and dignity and denotes that the affairs of country will proceed smoothly and satisfactorily, he will be able to adjust foreign affairs so as to preserve security and peace. Also improvement is shown ,delopment in trade and commerce. But care is needed in all affairs some difficulties may arise in personal affairs or there is unexpected development government inner circle or prone error to decision making in charting his future political program, when Saturn retrograde montion periods from December 17th 2007 - May 3rd 2008, ( Especially care is needed on April 29th - June 20th 2008.) Again 2nd Retro motion of Saturn from January 1st 2009 - may 17th 2009.(Especially care is needed on May 23rd 2009 - July 3rd 2009. Above mentioned period should be neutralized with good and bad, if has prepare well the results will be excellent but whatever is not so well prepared will be the basis of difficulties he will encounter as above mentioned. Hopefully the prime minister will make well prepare for that. On August 19th 2005 I have been submitted http://www.astrodatabank.com /NM/submitted.asp?ChartID=19618 on prime minister Tony Blair chart and it was signaled nearly two years ahead actual occurrence but unfortunately that article was missing on www.atrodabank.com Again on May 11 2005 have been reposted under mentioned site www.bangkokenglandlondon.blogspot.com http://bangkokenglandlondon.blogspot.com/2006/05/review-on-british-prime-ministe r-tony.html and signaled a year ahead actual accurrence. I am placing articles on website are not the result of my ego. I am just making an attempt at proving the reliability and profundity of the applied astronomical astrology that is useful for us all including kings and world leaders. President G.W Bush has been witnessing ,the world on the fire, while walking the thorny political path full portholes and historic hardships in his White House time. Actually he has more than enough qualification for be the president of United States Of America as well as he is the great lover of human right, democracy and world peace, but his astrologically unfavorable condition had provided the opportunity for Osama Bin Laden to successfully hatch the September 11-2001 plot. Anyway President G.W Bush and British prime minister Gordon Brown, may all free from the effects of such hardships and warring conditions.
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« Reply #5 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Gordon Brown was born some 37 hours before a Lunar Eclipse. The Eclipse itself is remarkable because it is the very final eclipse in its Saros Series.  
This eclipse was a tiny grazing penumbral eclipse. It lasted less than 30 minutes. It was number 84 of 84 in Saros Series 103. Being born in the build up to such a rare astronomical event may confer on this man an important destiny. This is outside of my experience and we can all await with greater interest the unfolding of his life story and see how it relates to this 'end of ends' eclipse.  
Gordon Brown has a Piscean Sun. He can be described spiritually as an old soul. (No pun intended). The gibbous nearly Full Moon at his birth was in Leo. It is natural for him to lead, he enjoys the limelight.  
He has no major planet in an Earth sign. A Capricorn mid heaven compensates but he will need support from earthy individuals. Tony Blair of course is an Earth sign.  
At the moment of his birth Saturn and Pluto were setting on the horizon of his birth place Glasgow. Uranus was on the IC there. This adds even more weight to the sense of destiny in this man's chart.  
There is a 'mystic rectangle' and a 'finger of fate' in the skies at his birth time. More and more curious! Its almost 'Gordon in wonderland'.  
The planet Saturn was aligned in the direction of Tehran at his birth. Jupiter was aligned to Ridyh, Uranus to Madrid. It remains to be seen the part he has to play in the destiny of these capital cities.  
Uranus currently in Pisces, Gordon's sign, has already been conjunct his natal Sun and was his natal Jupiter in March 2007, it occurs again in October 2007 and Jan 2008. Uranus will conjunct his natal Mars and Venus in the years that follow.  
In 2007 the Full Moon on Feb. 2nd wqs conjunct his natal Moon.  
The Lunar Eclipse on March 3rd was opposite his natal Jupiter.
The Partial Solar Eclipse on March 19th was widely conjunct his natal Venus.  
Gordon's waxing progressed Moon entered Virgo on March 28th 2007, squares progressed Venus in June then makes fortunate aspects to his progressed chart during the autumn of 2007.  
The New Moon on Aug. 12th is conjunct his natal Pluto and the UK's natal Saturn. This one could well be the hallmark of his ascent to power.  
The Total Lunar Eclipse on Aug. 28th 2007 is aligned to his natal Sun, his natal nodal axis and is conjunct the UK natal Pluto, a similar hallmark of power and destiny.  
His progressed MC is conjunct his natal Sun in 2007. This is a classic indication of a major life change.  
The New Moon on Dec. 9th 2007 is conjunct his natal Neptune on his Descendant.  
The Annular Solar Eclipse on Feb. 7th 2008 is conjunct his natal Mercury and the UK's natal Venus.  
Gordon Brown's astrological chart aspects to the UK (1801) National Chart.  
His natal Sun is conjunct the UK Pluto.  
His natal Mercury is tightly conjunct the UK natal Venus at 16 degrees Aquarius. This indicates an adeptness with the purse strings.  
His natal Saturn is tightly conjunct the UK natal Uranus/Ascendant conjunction, really prudent!  
His natal Pluto is widely conjunct the UK's natal Saturn.  
The progressed Moon of the UK chart enters Pisces, Gordon's sign, in 2008. We all, on these islands, may come to identify with him, well for a couple of years maybe!  
Best wishes, Michael Harwood. www.thedaze.co.uk
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« Reply #6 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Pankaj
 
Call me old-fashioned predictive astrology person, I am just very impressed with Progressed MC conjunct Radical Sun(natally, Sun is sextile MC) in the progressed chart for 2007.
I will have the same progression at age 110 Smiley ,Looking forward to it.
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« Reply #7 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jotown
 
<b>1.) </b> " How do you interpret the 12th house? What does this 12th house Pisces influence tell us about Brown's personality, his significant life events and choices, and his leadership style?"
All of this 12th house/Pisces influence says that he is probably truly compassionate to the underclass (Venus exalted in Pisces) yet this may be a problem when it comes to overspending on social programs. Mars in Pisces in the 12th says he is secretive and probably a good strategist.
The thing he will have to watch out for with Venus and Mars conjunct and in the 12th would be sexual scandal due to clandestine relationships. This is even more likely with the quincunx from Mars in the 12th to Neptune in Libra in the 7th house.
Jupiter in Pisces in the 12th is considered a fortunate aspect but he will again have to watch out for over spending and over reaching in his efforts towards change.
<b>2.) </b> " Brown and George Bush both have strong positions in the 12th house. How will this pair of world leaders get on with each other? What observations can you make about their relationship and their leadership styles by studying their charts in synastry?"
Brown's Venus/Mars square Shrub's Uranus which shows the potential for volatility in this relationship. Browns Moon sits on Dubyah's Mercury/Pluto which again shows potential for a very emotional response from Brown to Bush's flexing of his power (Pluto) through dramatic (Leo) communication (Mercury).
Brown's Saturn conjoins Shrub's Neptune which shows that Brown will not indulge Bush's expansive nature although Browns Neptune conjoins Dubyah's Jupiter which shows the possibility for some ideological agreement. But Bush's Mars opposes Browns Sun/Jupiter which indicates again that they will not see eye to eye and again the potential volatility between the two.
<b>3.) </b> " Where do these qualities show up in Brown's chart? Where is the brilliant orator who can flay his opponents with his biting wit? Where is the analytical statistician in the chart? The control freak?"
The 12th house planets probably contribute to the introspection. Sun trine Uranus and quincunx Saturn give the "self-sufficiency". The moody loner who holds a grudge goes to Moon conjunct Pluto.
Mercury ruling the third house and exalted in Aquarius is trine Neptune This along with the 12th house Pisces Venus, Mars and Jupiter give us the brilliant orator. Mercury opposite Moon/Pluto along with Mars conjunct Jupiter and bi-septile Uranus gives "one who can flay opponents with his biting wit."
11th house Mercury in Aquarius opposite the Moon gives the statistician (and Saturn square Uranus reinforce the fixation on numbers) The Sun almost exactly quincunx Saturn along with Moon conjunct Pluto shows us the control freak.
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« Reply #8 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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In Scotland, as opposed to England, the birth time is recorded on the birth certificate and I would imagine it's fairly spot on.
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Good observation Pankaj; and I wouldn't call you old fashioned at all. The secondary progressed ASC and MC are indicators that always tell the tale. Also you have Solar Arc Uranus exactly opposite his Sun this year along with transiting Saturn conjoining his Pluto.
All in all three big indicators by Secondary, Solar Arc and transit; there is nothing old fashioned about the rule of three. And good luck on your 110th birthday!Smiley
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reply by Astrodatabank Web User Kent-SunLibraMoonLeo
 
This is called the formation of a new government but I wonder if it is not something more of a continuation of the old government being that Brown has been second in command to Tony Blair and comes to office because of this. The Labor party remains in the majority so major changes in direction should not be expected. The change in Britain's foreign policy has already begun under Blair and I expect Brown to continue to ramp down British forces in foreign lands. Because of his emphasis in the 12th House a private life is important to him and many decisions may be made behind the scenes and in solitude or with just his closest advisors. He seems to play his cards close to his chest.
I think Britain is not so eager to ally itself to America to pursue adventures in the Middle East and therefore Brown's introversion is appropriate for this time. During his tenure as Chancellor of the Exchequer running the treasury of England, Brown has been silent on foreign affairs and in these matters has been eclipsed by Blair, who has perhaps too enthusiastically led a parade only to look behind himself after several years and notice the bulk of his followers have dropped off and the parade has lost its steam. Brown now comes out of eclipse. He doesn't seem to have the charisma of Blair but Moon-Pluto opposed to Mercury inclines the mind in the direction of the profound. Above all things, leadership should be deeply intelligent. We have all seen the recent tragic and entirely avoidable consequences when this is not the case. I would recommend an IQ test for all executive candidates.
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« Reply #11 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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This is a chart of great destiny.
Brown should be fully aware that his life does not belong to him and if he tries to gain fame or power for personal reasons or his own ego, he will suffer immensely.
The chart easily spells out what he is here for. The Yod to the stellium in Pisces in the 12th house is very potent. By orb, the Yod only exists to Jupiter from Pluto and Neptune. However, because of conjunctions, the moon, Mars, Venus and the north node are all thrown into it. As the rulers of primarily all the houses are represented, the Yod indicates that not only part of his life, but all of his life is dedicated to a specific purpose which he must fulfill. That his north node is there shows that if he fulfills it, growth and manifestation of this incarnation will bring him terrific progress.
Such a Yod in the 12th house in Pisces shows compassion and social welfare. The Yod is extremely mystical. The dominant theme is compassion and service. Notice that not only is it to a stellium in Pisces, but Venus is in mutual reception with Neptune, one leg of the Yod and the sole angular planet. Furthermore, Neptune is also at the nodal degree showing much suffering and service as it conjuncts the descendant.
Aries rises, so wed expect a tall man with angular features and thinning hair. However, Neptune is sole angular and Mars is in Pisces, which shortens the stature and gives a fleshier face and a shock of thick hair.  
His loss of vision in the eye is attributed to the Sun in Pisces at a critical degree quincunx Saturn, ruler of impairment and deficiency. Sadly, this is also responsible for the death of the first child. The ruler of the 5th house, children in general, but specifically the first child is the Sun at a critical degree in Pisces, a sign known for suffering and sacrifice. The moon/pluto conjunction in the fifth house is also the apex of a Yod from the 12th house stellium in Pisces, showing one of the ways of sacrifice and suffering would be in children (5th house). The second child is healthy, because though Neptune hugs the descendant, Venus, ruler of the 7th house, more specifically the second child is strong in Pisces. The third child, born with the crippling disease fares worse because Mars, ruler of the 9th house, specifically the 3rd child is also in Pisces, where she is weak, without any mutual reception.
Notice the Yod also empties into the 7th house. It could relate to his marriage which suffers because of the children's hardships or merely note that he suffers much from opposition. He is the first prime minister to be handed power as opposed to winning it. The opposition is already fast decrying him.
The Mercury in Aquarius opposition to Pluto in Leo gives a biting younge. He can be caustic and cruel when challenged, esp for power as the fixed signs are involved. The heart and head are in opposition with the head strong. Mercury in Aquarius makes him pragmatic. But he is power hungry with the Moon/Pluto conjunction he has an emotional attachment to power. We must notice that this part of the Yod to the Pisces stellium, this means if he doesnt forgo his power trips (Moon/Pluto) instead of working for the common good (Pisces) he will fail and be defeated.
Power was achieved easily by providence, Saturn rules the midheaven and is in exalt at the vertex. This was coming to him, regardless of any other actions. The exalted Saturn often secures a position of entitlment and he feels it was due him. Perhaps it was. But with the Yod in Pisces he has work to do.
Pluto will transit the Midheaven fairly early in his tenor and oppose Uranus. Pluto in Capricorn will force the economy into the issue and divert attn from security and the war on terror (Uranus in Cancer). If hes smart and seeks to stay in power he will spend his energy on the economy and social welfare reforms.
The chart affords great power but at the price of great service. He cannot relish the power for accomplishment and ego aggrandization. He must serve. The Yod insists on it. Just as the power was handed to him without a fight and by providence the string attached force to spend the entire time as a reformer and social welfare proponent.
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« Reply #12 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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solar fire 6 does not have giffnock scotland in its database. mine doesn't anyway... anyone know how to add a new place to ones database with solfire 6? my old solfire allowed me to add stuff.
kudos to adb for posting a non american newsmaker... gives us an opportunity to get out of the americentric soup for a moment.
eyesight issues seem connected to the pleiades which are at about zero gemini- square his sun.
the intense issues around the birth of his children seems to be suggested with the moon/pluto conj at the 5th house cusp. we don't have the birthdata for his wife which would be helpful in understanding any astrology around 'their' children.. without it his chart only tells a part of the story.. unfortunately after some sleuthing via google, still no data for her. i suppose that fits with that neptune over on the 7th house cusp.. she remains an illusive figure to me still!
taking a cynical pov, the potential for self deception here is great..neptune looms large. maybe that is a popular trait of many politicians.. strong 12th house/neptune emphasis is certainly common in them. i always think of this particular sun/moon combo as a religious combo- priest, minister, rather then something more pragmatic who said politician was pragmatic? lol).. it becomes more dubious when they get into politics and have control on some of the levers of society. well, his dad was a minister.. not sure which kind..
the mercury/pluto opposition creeps me out.. bush has the conjunction, so i think these 2 will be happy to work together with one another for covert reasons (war in iran anyone?) while continuing to keep a lid on all the secrets they have been privy to over the years.. i was reading that a little over a year ago brown hired greenspan (another pisces) to be his economic advisor. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1570325/posts when one considers the nature of the world monetary system and how finances are interwoven with war, it doesn't surprise me these 2 have connections.. the federal reserve and bank of england connection explains a lot of the rationale for why britian is regularly going to bat for the usa at the un and etc.. lock step is sorta like goose step. the mercury/pluto opp in his chart explains the 'biting wit' and sharp cunning mind.. i don't think of this combo as an 'open frank' type mind, so whatever he puts on display via his words will have to be weighed for the manipulative results he may be aiming for..  
i don't understand how british politics works... has brown essentially been coronated? i didn't hear about the british public going through an election process... the transiting pluto to his midheaven makes it look like a handing over of power to some type of figurehead for an oligarch or something.. speaking of which, the federal reserve has zero cap sun, so maybe it is going through some major, but unobvious change at this time as well? hard not to look at a pluto transit to ones midheaven as a power grab of some sort. well t saturn opp his sun i think is a good thing and if it brings him some success and greater ability in being of service to others- something i agree with m about as being critical to his fufillment of purpose), then all the power to him..
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« Reply #13 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Giffnock is basically Glasgow, a suburb. His father was a Presbyterian minister I think. His wife is also a mystery birth wise. All I can find is October so might be Libra which could make sense or Scorpio. No doubt will emerge at some point.
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« Reply #14 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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He is a curiously complex personality with so much Pisces (4 planets plus Node and in the 12th, Koch) in his chart. Yet he doesn't come across as particularly sympathetic or empathic, despite his political utterances on poverty etc. His fifth house Pluto and Leo Moon make him attention seeking, yet his 12th house pulls him into the shadows. He does have a wide out-of-sign Pluto opposition to his Sun, as well as closer opposition to Mercury, hence his stubborness and insistence on control. He also has an out-of-sign opposition of Saturn to Mars and Venus which damps down his enthusiasm, already held in check in the 12th. He has never looked particularly healthy to me and with Saturn in the 6th he does have to watch his health. The photograph is very old (young) and more than flattering. The dark puffy bags under his eyes might suggest some kidney-related disorder. With both his Secondary Progressed Moon now moving through his 6th plus transitting Saturn from August, and on top of that Pluto heading for the square to Saturn in 08 and 09 I'd wonder how his constitution will stand up to the strain. With Pluto also heading for his MC in 2010 I'd doubt he'd be there for the long haul. There are two general feelings about him in the UK. One is that he has over complicated the tax system (muddle and mayhem) and introduced a raft of stealth taxes (Pisces at work!) The second is that he lacks the killer punch needed for politics and is slithery about what he commits himself to or has committed himself to. Was he for or against the Iraq invasion? He was in the Cabinet! But the implicit suggestion is that it was all TB's doing.
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re: Gordon Brown
« Reply #15 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Elizabethxxx
 
On first impression Mr Brown looks like a tough cookie - but this chart says he leads with his heart. I can now understand why he has surrounded himself with women in his new Cabinet - all that fluffy Piscean energy but also why he has no Deputy Prime Minister - Aries ASC - always looking over his shoulder and really trusts absolutely nobody. The worrying thing is his Neptune on the DEsC - he is clearly a man who will lead and assist those less fortunate and 'do a lot for charity' Piscean 12th house stellium - but the Neptune says to me if things get too tough he will not be able to cope and it will affect his health. Not much Earth in this chart how do you manifest ideas - he will need down to earth individuals around him to make things happen. Could find him losing 'it' Mars-Venus conj in 12th - in my experience depressive nature if dont get own way. All in all a man who leads and wants to be everyone's friend SUN in 11 AQU but the world is a tough place Gordon - God may have chosen you for this role - N N in Pisces - but do you have the back to carry it - Sat in 6th - and how long can you hold this role always looking over your shoulder. A gentle giant meets the world with empathic gifts - charity begins at home - the poet prime minister - CHILDREN will benefit under this man - but what of the nasty horrid people in the world - Gordon I think you are probably a really nice bloke but Prime Minister and leader of our little land - I don't think so - you can make an impression for a while but we are moving into heavy times ahead Pluto and Saturn moving into EARTH signs in the next couple of years - We are going to need a good EARTH candidate just to survive....would hate to see the headline 'GORDON BENNET HE'S GONE ALREADY'.....wishing him good luck anyway and lots of love....Elizabethxxx
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re: Gordon Brown
« Reply #16 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Kent-SunLibraMoonLeo
 
Mercury rises ahead of the sun. He thinks first and acts accordingly. Moon-Pluto opposed to Mercury: a strategist; the power of persuasion. Mercury in Aquarius: has been characterized as thinking in an ivory tower, thinking "as if" the world was an ideal place. This is a disadvantages in a world of realistic outcomes but he also has the ability to dream a better world. Somebody in leadership should be doing that! It only requires thinking of the group welfare (Aquarius) as opposed to my own little world of gratification and reward (Leo). Brown's emphasis in Aquarius-Pisces together with the trine to Mercury from Neptune gives him this ability to imagine, dream and long for a better world as well as empathy for the less fortunate. Martin Luther King Jr. also has Mercury in Aquarius and you hear it in his speech, "I have a dream." Gordon Brown's work toward a more ideal world may be done more quietly with strategy sessions behind closed doors with just his immediate advisors as suggested by his emphasis in the 12th House but I think his spirit also works for a dream like King.
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re: Gordon Brown
« Reply #17 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Kent - shortened my name - too much to type all the time
 
Marjorie Orr - I always enjoy reading what you write. You are one of several fine contributors to this page. I wonder if the dark circles under his eyes are not also the result of significant personal tragedy in his life. He has been personally touched by the gods like a character in a Greek play. That and the fact that he is probably a workaholic. I think he regularly puts in 16 hours days.
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re: Gordon Brown
« Reply #18 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
marjorie, thanks for the comments.. i was wondering about that sun/saturn 150 with the 8th house solar vibe and sitting in the natal 6th in libra myself.. i think you articulate some of the possiblities quite well. that aspect in particular has a big question mark around it for me.. perhaps if i find time i will line up events in his life to it... i have been unable to find the time of the rugby accident which led to the eyesight problems..
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re: Gordon Brown
« Reply #19 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone
 
one thought about that sun/saturn i had was how he has married quite late - saturn in libra?) and in starting a family at 50, it is a bit unorthodox - uranus/m connection?). i don't know his wifes age, but having children later in life does present some health issues for both the mom and child. she was about 37 when she had her first child. looking at the sec progs and solar arc directions to his chart for the date of his marriage highlights the natal neptune via prog/solar arc sun to it. sec prog asc is at natal uranus, and sa moon is at natal saturn. sa saturn is 45 to midheaven, so maybe it was a career move to marry and have a family... that is a cynical comment on my part, but the image of smiling politicians kissing babies and shaking hands and this goes with that.  
one other thought i had about the saturn in libra was aside from it being the most exact aspect in his chart (150 to the sun) it also feeds into this mercury/pluto-moon opposition i was speaking of earlier with a 135 to mercury.. that is the analytical statistician dynamic - sat/mercury/pluto that adb was asking about.
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