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« on: 10.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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John Nash, born 13 June 1928 at 07:00 AM in Bluefield WV
 
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  • What makes this the chart of a mathematical genius?
  • What was going in his chart during the worst of his psychotic break from early 1959 to sometime in the early 1970's? To balance the equation - what was going on when he wrote his Noble thesis at age 21?
  • Though his wife Alicia eventually divorced him in the midst of his psychosis (and recently remarried him again), she still took care of him after the divorce and through the madness. What makes this the chart of man who could attract such devotion in a spouse?
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« Reply #1 - on: 10.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Pope John Paul IV
 
1. Sun in Gemini, ruled by Mercury (concrete, logical thinking) gives some basic facility in math. NOt every Gemini is a math genius, or even necessarily good at math, so we must look further. According to Rob Couteau's dominantsrar.com, the three planets that receive the least number of aspects show what our greatest contribution in life can be. He has Uranus making only one minor aspect, by Mr. Couteau's rather stringent orbs (which I agree with for finding aspect ratings). Uranus is also the planet of genius and innovation, according to essentially every astrological textbook. His two next lowest planets in aspect count are Jupiter and Mercury. Perhaps a genius at linking detailed, logical thoughts into a more meaningful whole?  
His Midheaven is also conjunct (loosely) Uranus, meaning he's likely to be publically as a genius or eccentric (in his case, both), and base his career on unusual, new ideas, particularly when his M.C. is in Aries, sign of beginnings and originality.  
Jupiter in Taurus is his only placement in an Earth sign, and it resides in his 10th house. Singletons increase the planet's power, and in this case it amplifies his luck in career and being recognized for his mathematical genius. Most likely, his work in math research and his career are about the only places he's very practical in.  
Jupiter is also sextile Mercury, amplifying (Jupiter expands) his logical thinking skills, and once again relating them to the big picture, and Mercury closely opposes Saturn. That means two things: he doesn't like having his thinking limited and bound, and that he'll need to learn to balance his ideas with practical math rules (I read in Newsweek that he stated his ideas came to him in bursts, before he could really translate them into math formulas. His schizophrenic ideas came to him the same way, which is why he paid attention to them. An extreme example of the Mercury-Saturn opposition at work).  
His Moon in Aries is also in his 10th house, translating to getting emotional security from his career.  
Why a career in mathematics? His M.C. is, first off, conjunct Uranus, as I mentioned earlier, and is ruled by Mars. Mars is at 20 Aries and makes the following major aspects: sextile Sun and Venus, trine Neptune and Saturn. Conjunct Moon. His career needs to express his logical, Geminian sense of self, and focuses on ways to transcend (Neptune) limitations (Saturn). It's also loosely square Mercury.  
He uses logic and concrete thinking to express his ideas and vision in his career. Not necessarily a mathematician, but certainly not different from a theoretical mathematician's goals (typically).  
There's my thoughts on the matter, listing every factor I could find.  
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reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bill Lindsay
 
Here are my comments on John Nash, Jr...
1. Math genius...Mercury and Pluto here are conjunct on the ascendant...the 2nd, 6th and 10th Houses here are also powerful, so there is a heavy compulsion factor...to bury himself in work, as if to escape something. He must have full command over his environment and his field of work. Saturn in Sagittarius in the 6th enslaves him to organize his world. Moon and Mars at the top ensures that he lives there. Organization is his bread and butter and without it he feels exposed. His tremendous focus enables him to be the master of one trade. 2. 1959-1970's....major outer planet activity...Pluto was moving through Virgo and his 3rd house...running square to his Saturn and then to his Sun...this was not a time to fear loss of control, his faculties were going through some major changes and this threatened his self-imposed environment of control...then we have Neptune heading through Scorpio to Sagittarius, in his 5th house...inevitably squaring himself...not sure of who he was at that time, or what he had done with his life...Uranus, an excellent planet to have a breakdown under, ran over his Neptune and hit a square to his Saturn later, going through Virgo to Libra...but his nerves were challenged to begin with, as his Mercury natally is under tremendous stress...I can see how he felt he never really fit in, because his focus was inward in the face of a lot of (perhaps what he thought were) outside pressures...he could either identify with the grand trine in his chart(and work himself to the bone, in response to the compulsion) or with the rising conjunction(and feel helpless and vulnerable, the victim)...either way he felt small in the outside world, and fearful...he was 21 in 1949-1950...Neptune and Pluto were adding their strength to his somewhat skewed grand trine (Neptune in a double-sextile in Libra, Pluto in Leo giving a more powerful third corner to the setup, in trine to Moon-Mars and to Saturn)...this only set the stage, making his work much more real to him...then Jupiter, superhero that he is, zooms up through Aquarius and hits the grand trine with another double-sextile, then ties it off with a trine to his Venus and then his Sun...Jupiter and the Sun love awards and accolades...and Jupiter is in his 10th, so he intends to win an award somehow through his vocation, especially with solid Taurus, loving something to show for his achievement... 3. Spousal devotion...well, he does have Venus strong in the 12th...she is in good stead with the grand trine, and conjunct the Sun...no doubt she felt a strong karmic bond with Nash...and he to her...and he had a special respect for her womanhood and honored her...maybe there was a sort of mystique about his feelings for her, something that only she could unlock...he did something for her that no other man could do...
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« Reply #3 - on: 11.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Sue J. Thomas
 
Just looking at the first year of life is enlightening and must have had great influence on later memories: the solar arc directions in the first year are Mars conj the Moon AND Saturn inconj Pluto. This would give a completely agitated depressive background it seems.
Saturn is conjunct the south node widely and also is highlyl aspected which may symbolise the hard work....too much of it.
As to #3 question regarding his spouse: the Saturn is highly integrated into this chart and it seems any relationship once established (either partners or a state of mind) would likely return as the (desirable) familiar and secure.
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re: John Nash
« Reply #4 - on: 11.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Claudia Dikinis
 
Dear Lois and Friends,
I thought I'd have a look at midpoints, declinations and fixed stars for John Nash. What I discovered is quite rich and rather mind-boggling. How difficult it must be to have been given a mind that can contact "the Gods" in one frail human body.
John Forbes Nash, Midpoints: Natal Moon Mars Conjunction:
Jupiter/Uranus =Moon/Mars From pg. 72, "Combination of Stellar Influences," by Ebertin:
Jupiter/Uranus: ". . .At one time the author named this configuration the 'Thank the Lord' position, because people having such a configuraiton have repeatedly exclaimed the words, 'Thank the lord' after the release of the tension or strain from which they were suffering."
Jupiter/Uranus=Moon/Mars: Pg. 78, Ebertin, Jupiter/Uranus=Moon: "A good intuition, an optimistic outlook, a fortunate graps and understanding of things, prudence, far-sightedness. A sudden feeling of happiness, also the happiness of the female sex.
Jupiter/Uranus=Mars: "A quick determination, the desire to realize one's ideas at once, a love of freedom. The desire to make one's fortune in life, speculations, making fortunate decisions (engagement).
Jupiter/Ascendant=North Node Ebertin pg. 181: "An appreciation of a beautiful and harmonious environment. A love of pleasures and social meetings. A festivity, happy associations."
Jupiter/Pluto=North Node Ebertin: pg. 177: "Joint aspiration, a relationship to the masses. Political activity. A joint or shared success. Far-reaching associations."
Uranus/Neptune=Venus Ebertin pg. 187: "An extremely high sensitiveness, peculiar art, one-sided reveling in love. A peculiar kind of love."
Sun/North Node=Venus Ebertin, pg. 89: "Interest in artistic performances. The desire for association with artists or people interested in art. Sociability. The beginning of a love relationship."
Mars/Neptune=Sun Ebertin pg. 161: "Lack of will-power, discontent, a weak physique, weak or little vitality. The danger of infection, the undermining of the health. The dissolution of the body."
Natal Pluto conjunct Ascendant: Mercury/Ascendant=Pluto/Ascendant Ebertin pg. 133: "The desire to establish one's influence over people within one's own environment. The attainment of success in life or advancement in one's career or vocation. The tendency to have violent arguments with others."
Neptune/North Node=Ascendant Ebertin pg. 209: "The tendency to feel uncomfortable in the presence of other people. The misforutne to suffer from inhibitions. The experiencing of deceit and untruthfulness from others. Disappointments.
What makes this the chart of a mathematical genius? I think mathematics when considered from the point of view of Pythagoras' "music of the spheres," levels, harmonics, order, structure, patterning of the universe is what John Nash resonates with. Rather than "science" per se, his 12th house Sun, Mercury and Pluto (Pluto conjunct the Asc from the "shadow side of the 12th") shows a visionary more than the stereotypical view of the pocket protector, mechanical pencil, slide rule carrying "geek" portrayed in movies. This man's chart is loaded with gracious fixed stars, declinations and mutual receptions. Thinking about that, I wonder how "lucky" it is to be a mere mortal saddled with the energetic cosmic patterns associated with the Gods. This man's nervous system is geared for breakdown just by virtue of Uranus in Aries in the 10th, where the MC is 0 Aries: Solsticial degree. Each of the Cardinal Ingresses alone sets off this man's chart.  
What was going in his chart during the worst of his psychotic break from early 1959 to sometime in the early 1970's? To balance the equation - what was going on when he wrote his Noble thesis at age 21?  
Age 21: Progressed Venus conjunct natal Mercury conjunct the royal fixed star, Sirius. Progressed MC = 19 Aries the exact midpoint degree of Moon/Uranus in his 10th house.  
1959: Progressed Moon at 8 Gemini, less than one degree orb of conjunction with North Node conjunct the fixed star, Aldebaran: "He that foresses." Progressed North Node: 8 Gemini! Both in semi=sextile to natal Chiron at 9 Taurus. Progressed Sun 21 Cancer, square natal Moon and Mars. Progressed Asc: 9 Leo, in the degree of the natal lunar nodes. All this is very very too much to handle. "Those whom the Gods would destroy will first drive mad."
Though his wife Alicia eventually divorced him in the midst of his psychosis (and recently remarried him again), she still took care of him after the divorce and through the madness. What makes this the chart of man who could attract such devotion in a spouse?  
Perhaps it is Nash's natal Juno at 9 Virgo in the degree of his lunar nodes (N-9 Gemini conjoined to the royal fixed star: Aldebaran.
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[continued from posting above:] by Claudia Dikinis
S-9 Sagittarius, conjoined to the royal fixed star: Antares). Nash's Mercury dispositor of June and his North Node: Mercury parallel North Node; Sun parallel Mercury; Mercury parallel Venus. We have, actually, Ascendant, Sun, Mercury, Venus all parallel in North Declination: very strong. Mercury is conjoined to the royal fixed star, Sirius. Also, his highly fortified Mercury is conjoined to the arabic part of "love." According to Ptolemy's chart of Essential Dignities, Mercury and Venus are in mutual reception by ruler and triplicity. Naturally, Venus's opposition to Saturn in Sag (a crisis faith) binds Alicia and John together. The Venus-Saturn opposition would foreshadow divorce for John, but taking into account the aforementioned declinations, etc., a reuniting of the two (that Saturn bond!) in connection with his Juno in Virgo in nodal degree would indicate that the two were "fated" for a long-term relationship.
Thank you Lois, and thank you to each and very contributor to the John Nash study!
Claudia Dikinis, http://starcats.com, [was_link]starcats@yahoo.com[/was_link]
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« Reply #6 - on: 11.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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Interesting and challenging marriage shown by ruler of 7th on cusp of 6th opposing Venus in the 12th.  
It is worth noting the previous comments made about Ron Howard's chart and the criticism that has been laid on Howard for the representation he has done on John Nash. It was pointed out that Ron Howard's chart does not show him to be the Oppie of apple pie etc. He is not what he seems. Coincidently,(?)Howard has portrayed Nash in a highly idealized fashion. Howard is not what he seems and Nash is not what Howard portrayed. A shiny veneer has been layed on both.
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« Reply #7 - on: 12.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Richard Tarnas
 
<b>A Beautiful Mind </b>  
John F. Nash, Jr. June 13, 1928, Bluefield, West Virginia, 7 am (from sister, from John's baby book)  
Mercury-Pluto (conjunction, at the Ascendant): the powerful mind, the capacity to see patterns, break codes (Mercury as patterns of data, information), to dig deep, delve, penetrate; the spy, the top secret dangerous information and seeking of information, Department of Defense; his eyes penetrating the chaotic mass to see the underlying patterns (the lighting up of numbers with intensity of penetrating mind and vision);  
Nuclear physics, atomic secrets; secret information involving nuclear power, weaponry, secret strategic plans, secret agents.  
AND the paranoia, the tendency to see evil, danger, plots, behind innocuous and actually innocent randomness; the overwhelming compulsion to seek and find patterns of information that lurk underneath the surface and that reveal dark, life- threatening realities and evil forces.  
Mercury-Uranus (square): mathematical genius, eccentricity, occasional crackpot ideas, constant quest for originality, novelty.  
Sun-Saturn (opposition): loner, lonely, "odd duck," rejected by peers and by teachers, deep sense of personal failure, defeat, inferiority, ostracism, shame; sense of imprisonment in his own consciousness. His self-centeredness (in real life especially). Positively: His "shining" in his later years; esteem and recognition with Nobel prize awarded as an elder. Also, his sustained solitary effort in "renouncing" his psychotic beliefs, without psychiatric help or drugs--the stubbornness and self-reliance.  
Venus-Saturn (opposition): lacking in social skills and social graces, inability to find love for years, told by first-grade teacher he had "two helpings of brain and half a helping of heart"; not likable, unfeeling; cold heart in relation to others, first wife and child; in the film, the enduring marriage through many difficulties (remarrying this past year in real life; love fully expressed and recognized in old age, both in relation to wife and in principle); the loyalty from his wife even after divorce and during madness despite schizophrenia, withdrawal, abuse, and coldness; both Russell Crowe and Jennifer Connelly (actress playing his wife) have Venus-Saturn hard aspects.  
Also, the impersonal love of abstract mathematical beauty: In "A Beautiful Mind," her biography of the mathematician John Forbes Nash Jr., Sylvia Nasar quotes one of his colleagues: "All mathematicians live..in a crystalline world of perfect platonic forms. An ice palace"(from NYT film review).  
Mars-Pluto (square): brutally rude and aggressive in interaction; not nice; tendencies towards violence; fantasies of Communist aggressive hostility dominating his mind; bullet sequence; the brutal insulin treatments; "notorious among his colleagues for his antisocial temperament and his predilection for cruel put-downs" (NYT film review)  
Moon-Mars (conjunction, 4 degrees at noon; bw 0-11 degrees): total candor, aggressive emotions, wife's anger and courage.  
Moon-Pluto (square): emotional intensity and destructiveness, relational and domestic turmoil and violence, sense of life as threatening, dangerous, rooted in deep emotional and probably early-childhood or perinatal sources; also fear of the feminine.  
The larger complex:  
Moon-Mars square Mercury-Pluto: here is the major configuration reflecting the intensely aggressive paranoid ideation, with the deeply rooted feeling nature unconsciously permeating and shaping the extraordinarily powerful mental faculties in the service of paranoid fears of destructive threats. Cf. the schizophrenia emerged (during Saturn return) when wife "happened to be pregnant" (Moon-Pluto, perinatal)  
Moon-Neptune (trine, 2 degrees at noon; between 0 and 9); healing from wife's love and care, belief; his own sensitivity and access to Platonic mathematical ideal forms;  
Jupiter-Neptune (trine) see above;  
Both Moon and Mars = Saturn/Neptune midpoint (1/2 to 1 degree, a tight grand trine): the insanity, the nightmares, haunted by dark fantasies of aggression, threat;  
Psychiatric hospitalization; physical and mental injury through psychiatric hospitalization, aggression from and against psychiatric institution and personnel;  
Mercury semisquare Neptune (almost exact): the hallucinations, mental confusion, in own world, vision into ideal mathematical realm, but disoriented in this world; "delusional hypotheses," "delusionally influenced lines of thinking."  
Saturn Return (1956-59): marriage, tenure at MIT, schizophrenia, hospitalization for months, insulin treatments; sense of imprisonment by psychiatric world; first child; fired from MIT. Also, Pluto had been conjoining his Neptune.
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[continued from posting above:] by Richard Tarnas
 
(from his autobiographical statement on the Nobel site:  
http://www.nobel.se/economics/laureates/1994/nash-autobio.html  
"While I was on the academic sabbatical of 1956 - 1957 I also entered into marriage. Alicia had graduated as a physics major from M.I.T. where we had met and she had a job in the New York City area in 1956 - 1957. She had been born in El Salvador but came at an early age to the U.S. and she and her parents had long been U.S. citizens, her father being an M. D. and ultimately employed at a hospital operated by the federal government in Maryland.  
The mental disturbances originated in the early months of 1959 at a time when Alicia happened to be pregnant. And as a consequence I resigned my position as a faculty member at M.I.T. and, ultimately, after spending 50 days under "observation" at the McLean Hospital, travelled to Europe and attempted to gain status there as a refugee.  
I later spent times of the order of five to eight months in hospitals in New Jersey, always on an involuntary basis and always attempting a legal argument for release.  
And it did happen that when I had been long enough hospitalized that I would finally renounce my delusional hypotheses and revert to thinking of myself as a human of more conventional circumstances and return to mathematical research. In these interludes of, as it were, enforced rationality, I did succeed in doing some respectable mathematical research. Thus there came about the research for "Le Probleme de Cauchy pour les E'quations Differentielles d'un Fluide Generale"; the idea that Prof. Hironaka called "the Nash blowing-up transformation"; and those of "Arc Structure of Singularities" and "Analyticity of Solutions of Implicit Function Problems with Analytic Data".  
But after my return to the dream-like delusional hypotheses in the later 60's I became a person of delusionally influenced thinking but of relatively moderate behavior and thus tended to avoid hospitalization and the direct attention of psychiatrists.  
Thus further time passed. Then gradually I began to intellectually reject some of the delusionally influenced lines of thinking which had been characteristic of my orientation. This began, most recognizably, with the rejection of politically-oriented thinking as essentially a hopeless waste of intellectual effort.  
So at the present time I seem to be thinking rationally again in the style that is characteristic of scientists. However this is not entirely a matter of joy as if someone returned from physical disability to good physical health. One aspect of this is that rationality of thought imposes a limit on a person's concept of his relation to the cosmos. For example, a non-Zoroastrian could think of Zarathustra as simply a madman who led millions of naive followers to adopt a cult of ritual fire worship. But without his "madness" Zarathustra would necessarily have been only another of the millions or billions of human individuals who have lived and then been forgotten.  
Statistically, it would seem improbable that any mathematician or scientist, at the age of 66, would be able through continued research efforts, to add much to his or her previous achievements. However I am still making the effort and it is conceivable that with the gap period of about 25 years of partially deluded thinking providing a sort of vacation my situation may be atypical. Thus I have hopes of being able to achieve something of value through my current studies or with any new ideas that come in the future." Quote:
From Les Prix Nobel 1994.

"All mathematicians live in two different worlds. They live in a crystalline world of perfect platonic forms. An ice palace. But they also live in the common world where things are transient, ambiguous, subject to vicissitudes." (from NYT film review).
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« Reply #9 - on: 13.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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GW Bush has a much tighter Mercury/Pluto conjunction in his first house (tighter than Nash's). How come he's no math genius (or is he hiding his "beautiful mind" too well?)
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« Reply #10 - on: 13.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Richard Tarnas
 
In response to the question about G W Bush below: There is nothing about a Mercury-Pluto conjunction at the Ascendant that necessarily signifies genius. It can indeed be reflected in a powerful mind that delves deeply and recognizes patterns, as we see in the Nash case (or in other natal Mercury-Pluto conjunctions such as we see in Arthur Conan Doyle, or Galileo, or Darwin, or Sartre). But it can just as easily be reflected in a person of average intelligence who tends to use language and speech to manipulate his audience, who lives with more than the usual mental tension, who experiences a need (or compulsion) to keep secrets about dangerous or threatening information, who uses profanity, who speaks forcefully and with constant emphasis, who has difficulty speaking (as seen sometimes in stutterers). That's the way archetypes work: they are intrinsically multivalent, and can never be pinned down to a single literal meaning. The gods are too subtle and creative to be limited in such a way.
P.S. Nash's mathematical genius is also related to his Mercury-Uranus square. Even the Sun-Saturn opposition probably provided a capacity for sustained focus and stubbornness that was helpful in this regard.
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reply by Astrodatabank Web User martin hunting
 
The word genius would have to be connected to Neptune, creative, intutive, response, thinking outside the square, to solving problems. Pure maths responds to Mercury, as maths is connected to the logos that is calculating thinking. Having the aspect of Mars, Moon trining Neptune would indicate some creative response to the work that he was engaged in. In Nash's situation this was mathematics. Mars conjuncts the midheaven in Nash's natal chart squaring pluto, indicating at its most constructive a very powerful drive or determination. Moreover, at its negitive, very destructive and complusive behaviour. Pluto's conjunction with mercury would bring in that martian energy into the conjunction of Mercury Pluto so one would find a mind that is very energetic and has the ability to sustain focus for long periods. Mercury squaring uranus brings another highly energitic focus upon his mind and also upon his nervous system. With such a very highly energized mind and nervous system with Mars, Pluto, Mercury and Uranus, one would expect some problems when the transits aspected these points on the natal chart.
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« Reply #12 - on: 14.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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2:57:48 AM MST March 14, 2002
The NASH Chart contains the following:
Mercury Tri-Septile Saturn (1'03"S). The midpoint of these two bodies is 28'Vi43'. The transneptunian, Poseidon, which is considered SUPER-NEPTUNE, is at 28'Vi35'. The Tri-Septile is the Circle divided by Seven (neptune energy)and then times three. The angle of this aspect is 154'17'.
I will add other comments as my analysis of this chart continues and as long as this chart is up for inquiry.
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John Nash's Vedic chart shows clear indications of both great mental ability and instability. Mercury, planet of the thinking mind, rises in its own constellation of Gemini. Mercury's power is enhanced as it gets dig bala or directional strength from its position in the 1st house. The lunar mansion rising is Punarvasu, whose deity - Aditi - means unboundeness or infinity, a definite characteristic of JN's mental nature. This asterism is also noted for great insight and imagination. To give Mercury even more importance, Nash began his life in a Mercury life cycle or maha-dasha. Also, the 1st house and Mercury take a fourth house aspect from Mars in the 10th house of career, dramatically increasing mental activity and energy.  
A great mind must also have a strong 5th house of intelligence. In JN's chart, the 5th house is ruled by Venus who sits swakshetra (own constellation) in Taurus. Venus takes an aspect from Ketu, who is noted for intuition and subtlety of thought, sitting in the lunar mansion of Anuradha, one quality of which is an afinity for numbers and math. The 5th house is also aspected by 10th lord benefic Jupiter who sits unafflicted in a friend's constellation.
His mental problems are indicated in several ways. 1st lord Mercury is in the lunar mansion of Ardra, whose symbol is a teardrop and whose primary meaning is tragedy or misfortune -- a definite characterisitc of Nash's life. This combination is exaggerated and destabilized by the one-sided aspect of Mars, lord of the negative 6th house of health. Mars, who is strong due to directional strength or dig bala from his position in the 10th house, is aspecting enemy Mercury and Gemini, the 1st house. Mars' energy is very unstable in the constellations of Mercury and this instability showed quite clearly in JN's mental states.
JN's 6th house of health is severely afflicted by the occupation of 8th lord Saturn and Ketu, the South Node of the Moon, and the aspect of the Sun from the negative 12th house. In particular, an afflicted Ketu can indicate hard- to-cure mental disorders such as neuroses or psychoses.
At age 21, JN was in a life cycle of Venus - Jupiter and then Venus - Saturn. Venus is 5th lord and Jupiter 10th lord, an excellent combination for creative achievement. Saturn is lord of the auspicious 9th house and works very well in combination with great friend Venus (see the charts of Albert Einstein and Bill Gates, for example).  
The worst period of mental illness began during his Sun maha-dasha. The Sun lord of the 3rd house of the mind, sits in the negative 12th house of loss and institutionalization, is compromised by being in the last degree of Taurus, the constellation of an enemy, while being afflicted by the Nodes of the Moon and 8th lord Saturn, all of whom are enemies of the Sun. It is hardly suprising that his Sun cycle was extremely diffucult! The 10 year Moon cycle, which followed, was not easy either due to the very close association (about 1 degree) of Moon with 6th lord Mars.
His 7th house of marriage and partnership is ruled by Jupiter who sits in a friend's constellation in the 11th house unafflicted by any malefic. Jupiter aspects back into the 7th house, thus protecting it. This is an excellent combination for being helped by spouse. But the severe afflictions to marriage significator Venus by the Sun, the Nodes of the Moon and Saturn guaranteed that his relationships would not be smooth.
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10:11:29 PM MST arch 14, 2002
The Chart of John Nash contains the following:
Sun Septile (51'25'42") Jupiter (1'29'A). His Sun/Jupiter = 27'Ta01, Poseidon 28'Vi35, Hygieia (health) 27'Cp07. This constitutes a GRAND TRINE. Pluto in the July 4, 1776 Chart is 27'Cp33.  
Where does your Hygieia fall in the Marc Penfield chart for the Declaration of Independence. My Hygieia is 27'Ge inconjunct the US Pluto and I have lived with mental illness my entire life...just some food for thought!
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« Reply #15 - on: 16.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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(1) Genius: Pluto conjunct the ASC gives an abiding interest in understanding matters in depth. Great persistence and concentration. Pluto rules his creative 5th house and is closely sextile his Pars Fortuna. Uranus, the planet of sudden insight, conjoins his MC which lies on the cardinal Aries/Libra axis. Mercury, ruler of mind, conjoins Pluto and ASC, and is closely semisquare Neptune, the planet of imagination. Saturn quincunx Mercury/Pluto/ASC lends depth and intense concentration, with attendant hardships.
(2) Psychosis, 1959 to the 70s: In 1959 progressed Sun squares natal Moon, precipitating a crisis in his emotional life. At the same time transiting Pluto was quincunx his natal MC and conjoined his Regiomontanus 3rd house (the mind) cusp. Pluto remained in his 3rd Regiomontanus house until the early 1970s when it crossed his IC and entered the 4th at the end of his most overtly psychotic period.
 Thesis, age 21: 1949-50: Around his 21st birthday transiting Uranus was trine his natal Saturn in the 5th, a wonderful aspect for mathematic insight.
(3) Caring wife: With Capricorn on the 7th cusp (the spouse), Saturn rules his wife. In addition, Mars is exalted in Capricorn and Mars is the final dispositor in the chart. The trine of Saturn (the wife) to the Moon (ASC ruler)/Mars (wife by exaltation) conjunction is an indicator of a supportive and beneficial relationship. Mars (wife by exaltation) is not only final dispositor but also dignifed by being posited in Aries and being placed so high in the chart. Thus, the persons and matters signified by Mars are extremely important in his life.
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« Reply #16 - on: 17.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carole Hemingway
 
Well as of today "all" will hit the fan!!! This morning's NYTimes published an article by Rick Lyman entitled "A Beautiful Mind" Meets Ugly Oscar Tactics and it is likely that Ron Howard can kiss his Oscar good-bye, which is what happens when Nash's Venus in 17-degrees Gemini, clashes with Ron Howard's Venus in 17-degrees Pisces...both met by trans Pluto in Sagittarius 17-degrees. It's going to get worse when transit Mars moves into Gemini! John Nash and his wife are going on Sunday's 60-Minutes to set the record straight. John Nash clearly states and is quoted by the Times that he is "not an anti-Semite and not a homosexual." The 60-minutes show is going to dispel those rumors. Ron Howard crossed his Pisces boundaries and transit Pluto is going to deal with it and him. He strayed from the facts (not unusual for Pisces planets) of Mr. Nash's life and took him through the mud like the Nash's were on trial. I LOVE astrology---no one gets away with anything.
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« Reply #17 - on: 17.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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regarding the comment " Ron Howard crossed his Pisces boundaries and transit Pluto is going to deal with it and him. He strayed from the facts (not unusual for Pisces planets) of Mr. Nash's life and took him through the mud like the Nash's were on trial. I LOVE astrology---no one gets away with anything."
He absolutely didn't. Ron Howard if anything focused on the less ambiguous facts of Nash's life. He didn't get into the sexual orientation thing (perhaps because it was an uncertain thing) and regarding the anti-semite stuff (which Howard didn't approach either) - At the time when Nash supposedly made such comments, he was suffering from Paranoid Schizophrenia, he was delusional with his sense of reality clearly shaken, he felt in danger - all these reports (many of which were reported by the infamous mud-slinging reporter Matt Drudge) have been made (in oh so timely a way - days before the Oscars)by others (who in my opinion have some vested interest in destroying the film chances for any awards on March 24th).
in other words you got it all backwards, Howard might be rightly accused of protecting Nash (although I think he really just chose to focus on an aspect of Nash's struggles, life, rather than its entirety which could possibly be done in a miniseries but certainly not a 2 hour movie) but certainly not for dragging Nash's name thru the mud!
A shared Pluto transit between the two of them (Pluto aspecting both men's Venus) might explain the fact that they are going through a deeply transforming time, one which might involve great power struggles and underhanded ploys. Challenges to their (Venus)values, relationships with others.
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We shall see, Trish Butler. I don't have it wrong, look at transit Saturn and what it is doing to Howard's Pisces planets. Once we all get to watch "60 Minutes" and hear the Nash's statements, I think that will suffice, don't you?
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« Reply #19 - on: 24.03.2002 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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To add to Michael Bradford comments on the chart of John Nash, Jr. - I would like to say the following, based on Nash's Vedic chart, using the customary sidereal zodiac.
With Mercury in its own sign Dig Bala in the Ascendant (that is, best angular position and thus maximum directional strength), there is bound to be higher than average intelligence. Mercury angular in its own sign gives the Bhadra Mahapurusha yoga, dignifying even further the qualities of Mercury for the lifetime. All of this is very positive for the strength of the intellect.  
What makes both Mercury and Moon, both planets ruling over the mind and intelligence, more vulnerable - is two factors: 1) that they are in kendras (angle houses) from each other, and 2) that they are both in dual signs. Though Mercury owns two dual signs (Gemini and Virgo) and normally adjusts and adapts well to the oscillating energy of the dual signs - Moon simultaneously in a dual sign in the same chart is very destabilizing for the mind. (Note that Moon is exalted in the fixed sign of Taurus.) This is because Moon is the receiver of all impressions in the life. Mercury transmits them. Moon interprets from the heart and the feelings, Mercury from the intellect, or rational mind. If their influence becomes too intertwined, by being in mutual aspect or in kendras - especially when this is repeated in the Navamsa chart, as it is with Nash (Moon and Mercury in Pisces) - then the person is too easily affected by other people's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.  
That Nash was schizophrenic, split in two, would show the strength of the dual signs in both the birth chart and the Navamsa chart. Also, Moon is placed in a very treacherous degree area called Gandanta, the last 3 degrees 20 minutes of all three water signs, in this case Moon at 28:50 Pisces. There will be some suffering involved in the mind and heart. As Moon is in the 10th house, it will affect career, and it will be very public. Also, the 10th house is ranked very high mathematically, thus the career status and recognition of the person will be very high.
Despite his mental illness, the fact that Nash would survive and somehow flourish over time is a tribute to several factors in the Vedic chart: 1) Ascendant Lord placed in the Ascendant. 2) 8th Lord in the 6th house : Viparita Raja yoga: protects the person in matters of the 6th house (Michael Bradford states this point incorrectly, as he has overlooked the fact that Dushtana lords do extremely well in their own houses or other Dusthana houses. . Dusthana houses are the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. Thus Saturn in the 6th house is usually good anyway, and is especially good here as 8th Lord in the 6th house. 3) 12th Lord in the 12th house: Another Viparita Raja yoga, protecting the person from horrendous losses and expenditures.
The sexual preoccupation and/or ambivalence can come from an unbalanced Gemini emphasis, as in Vedic astrology - Gemini is considered a very sexual sign, especially in terms of thinking about sex. Its symbol is the entwined couple. Nash's Sun-Venus-Rahu in the 12th house can add to this description even further, as 12th house is also pleasures of the bed. Venus likes being in this arena, but is combust the Sun and afflicted by Rahu - all of this intensifying the sexual desires at times and possibly pushing it out of control.
Michael Bradford is quite right in comparing the chart of John Nash, Jr. to both Bill Gates and Albert Einstein, both also with Gemini Ascendants and either Moon or Mercury in a dual sign. In both cases also the 5th house lords are very strong. The difference is that Einstein's Moon is in Scorpio and his Mercury in Pisces, giving greater harmony and intuition between the facets of the mind. Also, in each case Venus, best planet for Gemini Ascendant is very strong. Einstein's Venus is exalted in Pisces, Gates' Venus is in its own sign in Libra in the 5th house. For Gates, his finest successes have come in Venus dasa, a 20 year planetary period starting 10-13-1982 and ending 10-13-02. Gates will experience his Moon dasa for 10 years starting from 10-14-2008, and that will be a less stable period, as Nash found from Dec. 1962 to Dec. 1972. For Nash, his Venus dasa established his intellectual and academic prowess (from birth to Dec. 1956). But succeeding dasas up to the mid-1990s have been much more demanding and have not helped him as significantly as the Venus dasa. Mercury dasa would be outstanding, but occurred only in the first year of life, and comes again at the age of 104!
With Gates, Moon is in Pisces in the 10th house opposite Mercury-Mars in Virgo in the 4th house. As with Nash, Mercury in its own sign in an angle is superb for the quality of the intellect.
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