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Astro-Databank: Justin Timberlake
« on: 27.04.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Justin Timberlake, born 31 January 1981 at 6:30 PM in Memphis TN
 
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p>Many people have requested charts of younger celebrities. They are hard to get and we finally have one thanks to Frank Clifford. Let's look at the chart of teen heartthrob Justin Timberlake.
  • Where is the sex appeal in his chart? Sharon Osborne says the key is his huge heart. Leo rising makes this a strong contributor. What else makes him so appealing to the female set?
  • Justin has ten major aspects with an orb of less than one degree. What does that say about him?
  • Can you find a signature for a working childhood in his chart?
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #1 - on: 26.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Gale Carrier
 
I'm a psychic/astrologer... I don't think his chart is accurate. For some reason I'd give him a scorpio asc.b
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« Reply #2 - on: 26.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User cynthia
 
He doesn't do it for me, but I can see several things in this chart that does suggest it. Moon in tight conjunction with Neptune can give him mystery and of course confusion. The tighter the conjunction the more the plnets untie and merge their energy.  
The ASC is tightly conjoined the fixed star Regulus giving that intense drive for success and attention that is not readily seen in this chart with so many planet below the horizon. Then you have Mars in tight conjunction to the 7th which suggests that 7th house people will be passionate. I disagree about Scorprio ASC, I think this ASC works and that the Mars on the 7th would suggest the whole deal with Janet Jackson the Marsian partner. Funny, she took the lead role and the responsibility. That Mars also give him lots of energy, and drive.
Just a few notes from the top of my head cyntyhia
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #3 - on: 26.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Brian Habit
 
About question #2 ("Justin has ten major aspects with an orb of less than one degree. What does that say about him?"):
With respect to Timberlake's life in general, the challenges and potentials for creative and destructive expression associated with those points' respective functions are especially strong in his case.  
For example, the Moon closely sextiles Mars, closely conjoins Neptune, and closely trines his Ascendant. Therefore, he could act rebelliously, foolishly, immaturely, naively, etc., and/or he could act innovatively, individualistically, imaginatively, compassionately, etc., depending on the choices that he makes for how to satisfy his Martian, lunar, Neptunian, and Ascendant-related needs.  
With respect to specific periods in his life, when those points are triggered by, say, transiting planets, he can expect to go through especially dramatic periods of stimulation, developmental pressure, and activity.
Let's consider the same points mentioned above. Whenever a transiting planet triggers those points (as Pluto will do over the next two years or so), Timberlake can expect a big upswell of energy in terms of matters related to his Moon (as well as those related to the other points). Along with his emotional life, home or family life, etc. (standard Moon-related matters), Moon-related matters would include his spiritual practice and behind-the-scenes activities (since the Moon rules his 12th house of release) and his creative self-expression (since the Moon lies in his 5th house). (The Moon lies late enough in his 4th house that I consider it to operate effectively through his 5th.)
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #4 - on: 26.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Robert Corre
 
When it comes to the topic of motivation and drive, that is, what prompts a person to act, exact aspects dramatically increase the intensity, that is the QUANTITY or strength of the motivation and drive.
My teacher in astrology, the late Zoltan Mason of New York would say, "Exactness confers intensity". The form of the aspect that exists between two or more planets is a secondary consideration. More important is, if two planets are in aspect, HOW EXACT is the aspect? The aspect form will either mitigate or further aggravate the initial consideration of exactness between two or more planets.  
What does it mean for this for the man? The quantity of the number of exact aspects insures that this person is driven towards a dramatic events and a noteworthy life.  
Of course what these latter events are or will be depends on the natures of the planets in aspect to one another, their zodiacal state, and their local determinations, that is where are they posited and over whcih houses do they rule?
Under the topic of aspects, inexact ones imply the opposite. The less exact the aspect, the more mediocre the impact of the planetary influences, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL.
Robert Corre www.ForumOnAstrology.com
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #5 - on: 27.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User William C. Autrey
 
Just to be different as usual. With a T square to Chiron Justin does not think he is good looking which is a plus in a person who is good looking. If you use Earth in the chart it would lie righ on top of his NN in the twelfth house. Inserting the earth in the chart can bring some earthy surprises. Any Aquarian wants freedom from close relationships and makes them all the more desireable to conquer. Using Lilith in the chart puts it at 13 Taurus in the 9th. Again emphasizing the latent animal with all those retrograde Libra planets. The Libra generation is in his soul so therefore he is the Elvis of his time.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #6 - on: 27.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Mark
 
1. Where is the sex appeal in his chart? Sharon Osborne says the key is his huge heart. Leo rising makes this a strong contributor.  
You mean Sun (both "heart" and Asc ruler) Trine Jupiter (huge) ruler of 5th and 8th?
What else makes him so appealing to the female sex? a. Venus Square Pluto (unusual power of attraction) b. Mars in Aquarius smack on the Desc, Trine Pluto. c. Venus cnj Neptune on the cusp of 5th house. d. Midpoints: Sun = Venus/Asc (A harmonious disposition coupled with a beautiful physique. Creating impression through a physical beauty). Node = Venus/Mars (An extremely magnetic personality with regard to sexual attraction.) = Venus/Asc (The demonstration fo kindness , benevolence and sympathy with regard to other people).... 2. Justin has ten major aspects with an orb of less than one degree. What does that say about him?  
Hrm... that the attributes related to these specific combinations are very strong, salient , prominent or quintessential in his "personality" ?
Can you find a signature for a working childhood in his chart?  
Venus in Capricorn, ruler of 10th of career and 3rd house is on the cusp of the 6th of work square Pluto in the 3rd ?
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #7 - on: 27.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Brittany
 
Leo Schmee-o. It's all those nice tight aspects that give him sex appeal.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #8 - on: 29.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Michael Bradford
 
In Justin Timberlake's Vedic/sidereal chart, there are numerous indications for sex appeal, pursuit by members of the opposite sex, and issues around morality and sexual power.
1. His lagna (1st) lord Sun associates with sexy Venus and mysterious Ketu, the south node of the Moon, giving him great charisma and sex appeal. They all receive a 5th aspect from benefic Jupiter, lord of the 8th bhava (house) of sexual power, who is strong by virtue of being retrograde. They are also disposited by Saturn, lord of the 7th bhava of partners.
2. Mars, a graha (planet) who is known for not hesitating to get its needs met in an aggressive way, is in the 7th bhava (partners), from which it aspects the 1st bhava (JT's physical body), and 7th lord Saturn and 8th lord Jupiter in the 2nd bhava. With a configuration like this, it should come as no surprise that he is constantly being aggressively pursued by members of the opposite sex! And the fact that Mars and Mercury form multiple dhana (wealth) yogas in the 7th bhava (others in general or the public) clearly indicates that his adoring female fans will be more than happy to shower him with a constant fountain of wealth.
3. The 12th bhava rules 'bed pleasures' in Vedic astrology and it is tenanted by Rahu, the north node of the Moon, which is associated with consuming ambition and insatiable desire. Rahu occupies the lunar mansion Ashlesha, which is associated with desire for sexual power. This dynamic is augmented by the aspect on the 12th bhava and Rahu of 1st lord Sun (JT) and Venus (sex). 12th lord Moon is in the highly auspicious 5th bhava, promising happy fulfillment of 12th bhava matters (which also includes charity, as we see confirmed by his donations to schools).
4. The 8th bhava of sexual power is very strong as its lord Jupiter is retrograde and aspects his own bhava from the 2nd. Saturn, lord of the 7th bhava of partners is similarly strong, also aspects the 8th bhava, and forms a Raja (royal) yoga with Jupiter (lord of the 5th bhava).
5. The 2nd bhava rules the face / appearance and is very powerful as it is tenanted by retrograde Jupiter and Saturn and is aspected by Mars. As the 2nd bhava is 8th from the 7th, it also represents sexual power of the partner. 2nd lord Mercury is in Parivartana Yoga (exchange of houses) with 7th lord Saturn, tying these two bhavas together even more closely.  
6. Jupiter and Saturn both tenant the nakshatra (lunar mansion) Hasta, which when afflicted by the association or apsect of malefics (in this case both Saturn and Mars), is noted for 'questionable' morality. Lest there be any doubt of this, see the chart of Bill Clinton, who has 8th lord Mars and debilitated Venus in Hasta in the 1st bhava).
7. Morality is a 4th bhava affair, and 4th lord Mars (sometimes called Vakri or crooked in Sanskrit) is in the 7th bhava in the rashi (sign) of malefic Saturn, where it aspects the 1st bhava and Saturn, who in turn aspects the 4th bhava from its position in the 2nd. When the 1st (the native), the 4th (morality) and the 7th (others) are connected by ownership, association, disposition, occupation or aspect, and are under the strong influence of malefics such as Mars and / or Saturn, the person's morality with regard to sexuality will exceed the bounds of what is considered normal (see for example the charts of Marilyn Monroe and Bill Clinton).
Thus, we see a clear pattern emerging here. The 1st bhava and lord Sun (JT), the 7th bhava and lord Saturn (partners), the 8th bhava and lord Jupiter (sexual power), the 2nd bhava and lord Mercury (native's appearance and sexual power of partners), and 4th bhava and lord Mars (morality), are all tied up together in multiple ways by ownership, occupation, association, aspect, disposition and yoga, connecting the themes of these bhavas and making them preeminent in his life.
His working childhood is indicated by the Sun, lord of the 1st bhava (which rules early life) tenanting the 6th bhava of routine work, associated with 10th lord Venus (career). JT has been in a Venus dasha (life cycle) from the time he was 6 years old.
Although closeness of aspect is not generally treated as important in Vedic astrology we have a major exception here as Jupiter and Saturn are within 1 degree of each other, putting them into a condition known as planetary war. This tends to destabilize both grahas and we saw the result of this in the Superbowl incident where JT was involved in scandal (8th lord Jupiter) with his singing partner (7th lord Saturn). This condition also indicates that issues of power with women will be a major challenge for JT throughout his life.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #9 - on: 30.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bill Lindsay
 
1. Sex appeal...other than money??...well, his Pluto(near his 3rd cusp) IS trine to his Mars and Mercury, near his setting degree(7th House). But then, Pluto is also connected to financial gain and gifts. But more importantly, the change that he can bring into others' lives through his work or verbal expression. 2. 10 major apects...unless you counted the aspects to the Ascendant axis(in which case it would be 12, including the Moon/Venus aspects to both ends), I counted only 8...anyway, it all really depends on the planets involved. But if I could put it in only one word, I would say 'involved'. 3. working childhood...the Sun rules his chart and is in the 6th, the cusp of which is in Capricorn. His mother may have had some influence in his creative life, as Venus is in the 6th as well, but in a different sign(his expression is his own), and Moon is conjunct his 5th. Strong Libra also seems to reinforce the strong female influence over his career. Sun is in its detriment in Aquarius, so he may be seen as too much of a 'nice guy' or seek the company and inspiration of others too much.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #10 - on: 31.05.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User steven davis
 
Perhaps it is all those exact aspects that took someone who doesnt really sing that well, isnt particularly good looking and catapulted him out of obscurity and into fame. Steven Davis
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #11 - on: 01.06.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jane Griscti
 
1. Where is the sex appeal in his chart? Sharon Osborne says the key is his huge heart. Leo rising makes this a strong contributor. What else makes him so appealing to the female set?
Mars in partile opposition to Asc and sextile Moon would confer a large portion of animal magnetism. Moon conj Neptune in partile trine to the Asc would confer popularity and charm.
2. Justin has ten major aspects with an orb of less than one degree. What does that say about him?
The closer the aspect the stronger the influence. It's also a sign the influences will make themselves felt early in life.  
The aspects are largely favourable (sextiles and trines) two exceptions being Mercury square Uranus and Mars opp Asc and he certainly appears to be leading a fortunate life. They also center on Mars and the Moon/Neptune conjunction which solves the Mars/Asc opposition. All three planets connect with the Asc giving them a strong influence on the life and personality.
The conjunction falls in the 5th House (using Alchabitius cusps) of entertainment and is disposited by Jupiter in the 2nd House of money...an indication he will make money as an entertainer.
At first glance the chart appears to be a very unusual one for a person who has acquired fame and success as all but one planet are below the horizon. If the birth time is accurate can only surmise the large number of partile aspects and their connections to the Asc have overcome the usually private life one would expect from the disposition of planets below the earth. Also need to take into account that Timberlake is still quite young and the chart is preventional so it is possible his 'fame' will fade with time. Zoller notes that the Sun below the horizon 'cuts the fame in half'.
3. Can you find a signature for a working childhood in his chart?
Sun, ruler of Asc, in the 6th House of work. Leo's need recognition; he seeks to fill this need through work. We also have Uranus, Sun's co-dispositor, in the 4th of the home in Scorpio, joint resources; pointing to an unusual family life and dramatic changes in his career (Uranus opp MC). Coupled with this is Uranus square Mercury, ruler of the 2nd House of money and conjunct Mars, dispositer of Uranus and ruler of the 4th. It would appear his family or family circumstances pushed (square) him into the workforce early on.  
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #12 - on: 01.06.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anthony Louis
 
1) Sex appeal: In male celebrities sex appeal very often is shown by Mars in soft aspect to Neptune. These aspects package the masculinity of Mars in an appealing Neptunian illusion for mass consumption. Some of the many male celebrities with Mars sextile or trine Neptune include Errol Flynn, Clark Gable, Cary Grant, Rob Lowe, Lee Majors, Ricky Martin, Eddie Murphy, Paul Newman, Christopher Reeve, and O.J. Simpson. The conjunction of Mars and Neptune seems to have a similar effect.
2) Tight aspects probably reveal his ambition and single-mindedness to achieve. His "mission in life" became clear to him at an early age.
3)Working childhood: Uranus in Scorpio in the 4th House (childhood) near the IC suggests an unusual childhood. Uranus is square Mars, ruler of the 4th and posited in Aquarius, so Mars an Uranus are in mutual reception. The square from the 4th ruler to Uranus in the 4th suggests some hard work in childhood. Scorpio shows great determination. Mars ruling the 4th and conjunct his DSC suggests that his childhood was in the hands of other people. Venus rules the MC (career), is posited near the 6th cusp (work), and is sextile the IC (childhood). The Sun rules the ASC and is in its detriment in Aquarius in the 6th of labor.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #13 - on: 07.06.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Dianne Hood
 
A chart using Placidus houses puts Pluto in his third, not the Second, conjunct the fixed star Spica, showing fame and good reputation through his ability to connect with the audience - communication that feels very personal to those on the receiving end. Yet Pluto shows the nature of this communication to be mass, not personal, although highyl focused. The intensity of the effect is without doubt a huge part of his appeal to those who may feel overlooked in their immediate circles. In concert, it feels to his audience as if he sees them, not the other way around.  
Along with Regulus, Vesta is in the first, and with the Sun in the Sixth and Saturn in the Second, the chart shows that he works hard for everything he gets, and is willing to do so. He takes his work very seriously indeed, and is probably a perfectionist, not from the ego that goes witha Leo Ascendant, but because that's how he likes it (Venus in Capricorn in the Fifth). He gets a rush when he nails a performance, and that communicates through that Pluto in the Third to the audience.
Other things that indicate sex appeal: Leo rising, Regulus in the first, the personal generosity indicated by Jupiter in the second will also attract people because it doesn't just apply to money. He's a giver. He will work hard to be able to give. Moon conjunct Neptune will indeed increase the sense of mystery, and he is the recipient of the fantasies of women being impressed upon him. In other words, women see in him what they want to see, not necessarily what is there. Venus in Capricorn - a sexier sign than you might think - is conjunct the asteroid Eros. Mars is not only on the Descendant and sextile to Neptune and the Moon, it's only 13 degrees ahead of the Sun. It's vigour and masculine energy is closely tied to his self-expression. His work is physical, and requires him to be physically fit.
Using Placidus houses, Venus is in the Fifth, squaring Pluto in the Third. This does give sexual intensity, and also a potential darker side kept under wraps. I often see Venus square Pluto giving some traits similar to Venus in Scorpio, so he may not be getting as much as people assume. He is capable of going however long he needs to between partners he deems suitable.
With Sun in Aquarius and Moon in Sag, he's likely to develop sexual relationships with friends and to maintain friendly relationships with lovers. This gives his approach to women a softer edge, increasing his appeal to younger women who are able to experience his sexuality (and theirs) in a non-threatening context. I see the twin sister in the chart. I also see that he is looking for her. This is extremely appealing.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #14 - on: 03.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anthony Louis
 
Marlon Brando, who died on July 1, 2004, was a sex symbol for his generation. Brando has Mars at 17 Capricorn almost exactly quincunx Neptune at 17 Leo. Neptune is Rx, so the quincunx is mutually applying. In male charts these Mars/Neptune aspects appear to present an image of idealized (Neptune) masculinity (Mars), which contributes to sex appeal.
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« Reply #15 - on: 05.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Timberlake has a sextile between Mars and Neptune, which I can see as giving an idealized sexuality, perhaps even one onto which others can project their own fantasy.
Brando's chart shows an inconjunct between Mars and Neptune - a totally different interaction between the two energies. This would be the source of the edginess in Brando's version of male sexual appeal. Also possibly of his own discomfort with stardom and publicity - but I haven't looked at his whole chart, yet.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #16 - on: 30.08.2005 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Suresh
 
Leo ascendant is key in his lionlike sex appeal.again my program says add 1 hr to get the given ascendant,etc positions,viz time of birth be 7:30pm.now his love of cameron diaz can be seen by the following:-lagna lord in between 6th/7th house associated with venus but conjoined ketu;mars and mercury in 7th seems to be saying that he likes/loves those who can be a challenge or be of equal stature/status as himself;due to his lagna being leo(who usually never backs down from a challenge it is so)he too has a weak suare between jupiter and moon resulting in his wealth.mars aspecting the 2nd from being placed in his 7th house adds his piece to justins wealth.even when he gets married he may be hopeing to marry someone who has similar wealth status,etc.which can take place between 2006-12.the sun placed via house disposition as stated above can be responsible for his childhood labours as well as saturn in the 2nd in this chart.maybe unlike brittany he may/can try to secure his assets for his future,etc.that's all for now.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #17 - on: 14.01.2007 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User LG
 
Gale Carrier wrote: "I'm a psychic/astrologer... I don't think his chart is accurate. For some reason I'd give him a scorpio asc.b"
I agree as with no Outter Planets above the Horizon makes it unlikely that he would have a mass following for a star from what I have observed from my studies.
I am very wary of trusting charts where the outter planets show no placement above the horizon or else there is not an active placement of the Moons Nodes close to the angles.
My DOB; 5\13\60 T=8:12am NYC
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #18 - on: 19.01.2007 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carol
 
He's a Leo Asc. all the way, a natural showman and entertainer, as comfortable performing as you can get. Having a bunch of planets below the horizon doesn't change any of that at all.
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re: Justin Timberlake
« Reply #19 - on: 19.01.2007 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carol
 
And he and Cameron just broke up. Did anyone see that coming? What are we to make of that?
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