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« on: 30.11.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »

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Steve Jobs, born 24 February 1955 at 7:15 PM in San Francisco CA

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Jobs considers himself a leader and has commented, "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower." What factors in the chart correlate with his vision and leadership qualities?
Where in the chart is his fascination with technology and his ability to harness technology for use in the personal consumer and entertainment arena?
Some visionaries lack business acumen; this does not seem to be the case with Jobs. Where in his chart might you see the person who can broker deals, partner with geniuses like Steve Wozniak and companies like Disney, and send sales skyrocketing?
Jobs has a cardinal cross in his chart, involving a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Cancer opposite Venus in Capricorn and Mars at the last degree of Aries opposite Neptune in Libra. What does this planetary pattern tell us about his personality, his drive, his successes or his influence in the world of technology?

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Adb web user Ex Member	re: Steve Jobs « Reply #1 - on: 30.11.2006 at 12:30 [UT] » reply by Astrodatabank Web User Why have you not shown MC in this chart?
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« Reply #2 - on: 30.11.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »

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What doesn't show up on the chart at the top of this page is an incredibly tight YOD from Satrun and Venus to this MC. I think his desire to bring his spiritual aspirations into alignment with his business aspirations or vice versa is demonstrated by that aspect.
Saturn in good aspect to Uranus and Jupiter in 10th makes for a good geek especially with the chart ruler in Aquarius.

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« Reply #3 - on: 01.12.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »

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1.) " What factors in the chart correlate with his vision and leadership qualities?"
Well he is a very specific kind of leader. With no angular planets and his Sun, Moon and ASC ruler Mercury all unaspected his Mars in Aries becomes a dominating influence. The tight opposition between Mars and Neptune in the money houses (2nd and 8th) shows that his main talent is his keen imagination (Neptune) around partnerships (Libra) that involve money (2nd house) and the will (Mars) to win in the bank/boardroom (8th house).
The opposition from Neptune to Mars in the house of others money (8th) shows how he is able to pioneer (Aries) and dominate (Mars) the boardroom and his partners through his will (Mars/Aries). Mars also rules his 8th house which makes this even clearer. The unaspected Pisces Sun disposited by Neptune gives even further emphasis to this theme of imagineer.
His Jupiter/Uranus conjunction in the tenth house shows that he would lead (10th house) in technology (Uranus) and a modern philosophy (Jupiter conjunct Uranus). He also has a wide quintile from his ASC ruler Mercury to Mars and in fact has a quintile yod between Mercury/Mars and his ASC. This shows his unconventional leadership style and special talent in communications technology (Mercury in Aquarius with Mercury ruling both the MC and the ASC)
Saturn trines the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction which strengthens the leadership picture and Jupiter/Uranus being the focal point of the Mars/Neptune/Uranus T-Square shows that he is indeed a fierce (Mars) visionary (Neptune opposite Mars and Jupiter conjunct Uranus). The Venus/Saturn MC Yod that Zart mentioned reinforces the themes of unique (Yod) leadership (Saturn) with an obsession (Yod) around managing Money (Venus/Saturn)
2.) " Where in the chart is his fascination with technology and his ability to harness technology for use in the personal consumer and entertainment arena?"
ASC and MC ruler Mercury retrograde and unaspected in Aquarius in the 5th house of games and entertainment shows the fascination and the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction trine Saturn shows the ability to harness both his own imagination (Mercury) with that of his generation (Jupiter/Uranus in the 10th) .
3.) " Some visionaries lack business acumen; this does not seem to be the case with Jobs. Where in his chart might you see the person who can broker deals, partner with geniuses like Steve Wozniak and companies like Disney, and send sales skyrocketing?"
The very potent Mars in the 8th house of other peoples money, and its position in the T-Square with Neptune/Jupiter Uranus show the maverick with a genius for making money. The Venus/Saturn/MC Yod show a very unique kind of genius around leadership (Saturn/MC) and money (Venus).
4.) " Jobs has a cardinal cross in his chart; What does this planetary pattern tell us about his personality, his drive, his successes or his influence in the world of technology?"
The Cardinal Cross led by Mars in Aries in the 8th house shows he is obsessive and driven; Very competitive and certainly stubborn and willful. His Mars is also in a grand trine with Pluto and the North Node which re-emphasizes his resiliency and his competitiveness; especially around money.
The other planets involved fill out the picture; Jupiter/Uranus in the 10th show his influence in the world of technology, Neptune shows film and music, Venus shows art, music and money. All of these planets in the Cardinal Cross led by a very strong Mars in Aries show an obsession and will to dominate.

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User lucia

Steve Jobs seems to me with his 5th/hs/sun just off the possition of maximum receptivity, (.00-03 pisces), a man playing life with only face cards...a pawn ordered around by 6 kings, cancer/uranus/jupiter/SN needs to be satisfied at the expense of mars/aries, neptune/libra & cap/venus/NN.
The SN/uranus/jupiter/SN 10/11/hs cusp desires to break away from the past...form a more distant and unusual imaginary place....and make it of LASTING value, (trine saturn/scorpio)
8th/Mars/Aries is more than a bit player in this cardinal square as the 7th/hs moon, (also in Aries) ruler. 8th/hs Mars goads the other kings to not sit still, rest on ones laurels, 12/hs/leo/pluto/trine supports transforming power.
4th/hs/venus/capricorn insists on a practical well run home, where AC virgo tries to find peace.
Just off the New Moon, Steve's Aires moon placement in the 7th house gives an energetic, consumer aware mind. This is a great balancing point, his awareness of others, their effect on HIS market possition...is a forward thinking advantage.

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User tiny

first thing I want to see is his Uranus and his mercury and lo and behold Uranus in conjunct expansive jupiter and Mercury is in aquarius in 5th house of creativity. electrical sparks fly with merc in uranus ruling sign. chart ruler is in Aquarius. both rule electricity, machines, computers. when we see Saturn in 2nd house in scorpio we know some kind of hardcore fortune or (loss) of it is involved. An ability to rebirth material karma? a phoeneix quality with resources and talents. am very intrigued by Pisces sun...again visionary but with problems which have not been mentioned in brief bio. Moon in aries fules lightening quick ability to be hugely successful and Capricorn node again confers ambitious lifepath direction. Nuff said! thanks for chart

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« Reply #6 - on: 02.12.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »

reply by Astrodatabank Web User lucia

Job's pisces/Sun is actually in the 6th/hs, so I'm a dumb***, and it changes the man from happy-go-lucky to morose, touchy, exacting double virgo. TINY says it all ...about the electricity running through Steve's planets.
It's very hard to have a gentle retiring, pisces sun buried in the 6th hs with a cardinal square...rather like a spook chained, arms & legs to a wrack. This man lives with a lot of pain.

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User Zart

Sometimes ya just gotta love this stuff:
Mercury: 14Aqu21'42"R Symbol of Degree: Two lovebirds sitting on a fence You are an impartial thinker, democratic to the point of being impersonal. Fascinated by the latest technology, you have very original ideas, an inventor. Always thinking of the world as a unity, you are idealistic and believe in putting into practice what is preached. You are group-conscious, community-oriented.
Not bad for a guy with a Mercury ruled chart whose MC is 21° Gemini.

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User geoffrey hillend

1. Astrodatabank, you've included the important aspects to the ascendant in this chart and it's significant minor aspects. Horay! Very impressive. We can see a technologiical collective unconscioius zeigeist with a focal Jupiter conjunct Uranus sextiling the ascendant; Uranus is semi-sextiling Pluto in the twelth house. Astrologers will have a field day with this chart. Six planets in the cardinal signs and a strong Mars in Aries in the eighth house trining Pluto and squaring the Jupiter Uranus conjunction make steve jobs and ambitious leader in technology. All that cardinal energy locked up in the fixed houses and grand cross and with Mars in industrius and pioneering Aries, what a dynamic chart which drive is enduring. Sun in the sixth house sesquiquadrate Jupiter conjunct Uranus. The focal Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Cancer give him the intuition to apeal to the public. jobs has Saturn in the second house squaring Pluto and Saturn trining the Jupiter Uranus conjunction giving him vision and a sense of shrewdness in business. His ascendant in Virgo is heavily aspected and is biquintiled by Mercury and Mars and making him a good communicator needed for busines acumen.

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User Geoffrey Hillend

1. Astrodatabank, you've included the important aspects to the ascendant in this chart and it's significant minor aspects. Horay! Very impressive. We can see a technologiical collective unconscioius zeigeist with a focal Jupiter conjunct Uranus sextiling the ascendant. Astrologers will have a field day with this chart. Six planets in the cardinal signs and a strong Mars in Aries in the eighth house trining Pluto and squaring the Jupiter Uranus conjunction Make steve jobs and ambitions leader in technology. All that cardinal energy locked up in the fixed houses and grand cross and with Mars in industrius and pioneering Aries, what a dynamic chart. Sun in the sixth house sesquiquadrate Jupiter conjunct Uranus. The focal Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Cancer give him the intuition to apeal to the public.

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Adb web user Ex Member	re: Steve Jobs « Reply #10 - on: 02.12.2006 at 12:30 [UT] » reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone adb is there a reason the midheaven point has been left off the chart? is it one and the same as the equal house placement? curious.
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Mercury seems to me to be an oustanding feature of his chart for several reason. Using the Koch wheel (my personal favorite) he has a YOD between Saturn (work and occupation) and Venus (art and asthetics) and his Geminii MC at less and a one degree aspect at all points. Very tight. It points striaght up. His Oriental Planet is also Mecury. Virgo rising.
Aside from being influential with Apple Computer the first computer designed around the arts (Lisa) his ambitions dealt with the more astehetic side of using computers. (Even Bill Gate's super techno house was designed on a Mac.) Mac computers themselves are the eye candy of personal computers.
Then there is the Ipod... yowza!

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One more thing about his Mercury... I think if he didn't have the YOD among other things surrounding his Merrcury oriental wouldn't have been nearly so powerful. Due to its proximity to the Sun Mercury oriental is common but he just happens to have a very dynamic combination.
There is also the relationship to Saturn and Saturn's relationship to Uranus and Jupiter. N-node is at Capricorn synching up his techno destiny.

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Adb web user Ex Member	re: Steve Jobs « Reply #14 - on: 03.12.2006 at 12:30 [UT] » reply by Astrodatabank Web User Thank you Sandstone. We are often asleep at the switch. In this case, due to the multitude of house systems, we elected to use whole sign houses anchored at the ASC. So all the houses will have athe ASC degree on them. Richard
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reply by Astrodatabank Web User sandstone

Richard, there is a feature with solar fire where you can have the midheaven entered as a point even when using equal house system.. this is how adb has done it on all the other charts here at adb, so i thought it odd you opted to negate that for steve jobs chart.. it is a useful point to know about and seems missing without it. thanks for your note.

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« Reply #16 - on: 04.12.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »

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Thank you Sandstone. We had another person doing these charts before and they are now longer with us. Now that you have alerted me to this, I'll make sure we try to do it. I'm considering Porphyry so we can at least get proper angles and a logical division of the secondary houses. Any comments? Richard

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Richard, you're welcome.. as for trying another house system-Porphyry, there may be a reason why adb has been set up as equal house with the midheaven as a point, for as long as it has.. i don't know the history, but perhaps someone else does.. regardless of what house system gets put up on adb, i think the astrologers who offer comments work around what it is that is given and use their own anyway.. lets here your comments on Porphyry as it relates to Jobs chart... i would find that fascinating!

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User Zart

I think there is a good discussion telling why Lois Rodden preferred using the equal house system on the FAQs page. One of the reasons I recall is the equal house system doesn't change when dilineating charts of persons from extreme Northern latitudes. Living here at latitude 62°-N I can certainly understand.
I think this is just the odd chart where the MC degree was missed.

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reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jotown

The great CEO Carter was a proponent of the equal house system (for the reasons that Zart mentioned) so many astrologers who came of age in the middle of last century have been influenced to use the equal house chart by his writings as he was (and still is) considered a master astrologer.
Any astrology student would do well to study his writings as they still hold up after all these years.
Also with so many house systems to choose from defaulting to equal houses takes some of the debate over house systems out of these discussions so that we can focus on the chart and not the house system one may use. I believe that is one of the reasons Lois Rodden chose equal houses here.
Our esteemed moderator Paula Gassmann is friends with the great Boston astrologer Frances C. McEvoy who was an old and dear friend of Lois Rodden. Perhaps Paula could ask Frances if she could shed some light on this subject.
I personally think that equal houses are fine here as long as the true angles are indicated, and I would like to thank Richard for the fine job he has done since he has taken over here.

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