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« on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Donald Trump, born 14 June 1946 at 09:51 AM in Queens NY
 
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Why is this guy so rich? By Koch and Placidus houses he only has Neptune in the 2nd house. (By Equal house, Chiron and Jupiter slip in. Anyone want to change house system?) The ruler of his second house is Mercury in Cancer squared by Neptune. (Another truth stretcher?) A visionary with Sun-Jupiter luck? Is that enough? Henri Mancini might agree. He also has Neptune in the 2nd house, square Mercury and a Sun-Jupiter trine. To find the pot of gold, check out the declinations!  
Two more points: 1) What in the chart points to Real Estate success? 2) Is this the chart of success in politics?
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re: Donald Trump
« Reply #1 - on: 25.06.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Andrea
 
Neptune, the planet of escapism is in the 2nd,indicating a need at times to escape from the abundance of the material world is joined by Jupiter, planet of good fortune and benevolence. Two big clues right there. Uranus is luckily placed in its natural home, the 11th.Taurus on the MC shows material wealth isn't a stretch for him and this is something he strives for and can obtain. Pluto in Leo gives him all his strength as does Mars in Leo.
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« Reply #2 - on: 28.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Dennis Garwitz
 
about point (1) I would say that since Trump's second house has a Virgo Cusp that his fortune would be more closely tied to the enterprises dealing with the earth and things attached to it. Plus the ruler of Virgo (Mercury) is found the the 11th house of friendship energizing his Neptune in the second house.  
As far as a chart of success in politics, he has a chart similar to George W. Bush, in fact I think Trump is much more of a self promoter than Bush with Mars in the first house. The major difference between he and Bush is that Bush is sincere about his political desire and agenda and Trump is not. When it comes to self promotion Bush is very calculating with his image with Mercury, Venus, and Pluto in the first house and he is personally very secretive with Sun and Saturn in the twelfth house. Trump on the other hand has Mars in Leo in the first house and charges forth as though he were Patton on a battlefield. Bush conversely is more like Eisenhower making his decisions only after checking with his most trusted advisors and weighing the consequences.  
Whatever Trump loves the most will always elude him because of the Saturn-Venus Conjunction in the twelfth house. Trump would like his love life to remain secretive and though being a self promoter I think it personally galls him when the media looks too closely at his love life.
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re: Donald Trump
« Reply #3 - on: 16.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User grady milsan
 
he's not a sagittarius, he's a gemini and they are only good with small details not as a visionary like the sagittarius is known for and also the mighty jupiter is the king so i don't know how he ended up as a visionary...
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« Reply #4 - on: 07.04.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Ed Augusts
 
Love that Jupiter and Neptune in the 2nd, and I'd say the 26' trine between Jupiter and Uranus in the 11th is a quite significant example of thinking big, being lucky, and schmoozing and associating with those he needs to (11th H. Uranus) to get to the top. Of course, don't forget he started with a big, big head start by having a father who'd already covered a lot of territory in becoming rich, himself; before Donald got into the real estate business his dad had amassed something like a thousand units of rental property! So his chart doesn't have to be all that great. Yet I think it is. Except for the Sun and Uranus both opposition Moon, and the Mars in the First House, showing his personal relational & temper "hothead" problems... It may not be quite so bad; the chart above doesn't show it, but Moon is also sextile Jupiter by 3 degrees, easing that opposition to Uranus. I've been following Solar Progressions and his were conjunct Venus and then Pluto and then Asc., that's a very successful series of Progressions at roughly, age 32, 47, and 54. After Sun trine Moon in a couple of years, I believe his career will again have crested, as the next major progression is to Mars, at age 62-63; this will be annoying and potentially destructive, rather than profitable.
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re: Donald Trump
« Reply #5 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Glenn Perry
 
Trump's chart is a good example of overcompensation, good fortune, and visionary ability. First, note that he has no planets in earth, which suggests that sensation would be his inferior function. This does not mean that Trump is out of touch with his senses; rather, it means that experiencing and understanding the physical realm - body, sensuality, money, practicality, efficiency, productivity - would constitute a core challenge in his life. Typically, people meet such challenges by overcompensating, e.g., by overvaluing the material/money realm. Lack of an element means the qualities of this element may initially be suppressed. Yet, rejected elements tend to periodically explode from the unconscious, possess the individual, and throw him out of balance. When earth erupts it does so with a vengeance - the person gets hung up on money, becomes preoccupied with the body, turns into a workaholic, or flagellates himself for not being more successful. Accordingly, I would say that Trump is overfunctioning in the earth realm and through sheer effort has developed a sense of mastery over the qualities that earth symbolizes.  
But it would take more than missing earth to account for Trump's success. With his Sun conjunct Uranus in the 11th and trining Jupiter, Trump would be a maverick with an unusual ability to perceive the future, understand trends, have his finger on the collective pulse, think BIG, and develop innovative strategies for achieving personal ends that he would convince others are in the collective good. When it comes to career, note that Taurus is on the 10th house cusp, with its ruler, Venus, in the 12th and conjunct Saturn, with both planets in Cancer. In other words, not only is the actual ruler of the 10th, Venus, in the 12th, but the natural ruler of the 10th, Saturn, is there as well. This suggests that Trump's career is going to be strongly associated with three themes: (1) a 12th house vision for rescuing or saving failing businesses that are about to "go under"; (2) an extraordinary focus on gaining control (Saturn) of Venus/Taurus concerns, e.g., money, pleasure, and security; and (3) achieving financial security through Cancerian pursuits, e.g., real estate, buildings, and the like.  
Finally, note that Venus and Saturn, both career indicators, are not only in Cancer, but the Moon, which disposits these two planets, also forms an opening quincunx to them. The opening quincunx suggests that Trump would be obsessed with developing expertise in the area of making money (Venus) and achieving career success (Saturn) through activities that the Moon rules, e.g., real estate. With the Moon opposing Uranus and the Sun, this suggests that he may have a genius for capitalizing on changes in the real estate market. For example, he may have a knack for remaining objective, staying open, and making decisions that exploit new, sudden, or unusual opportunities that arise in areas of land development. Also, the 5th house has to do with fun and games, as well as creativity. With the Moon there, Trump's game may involve traditional lunar activities such as real estate, which is where he gets to be creative. I always thought "Monopoly" was the perfect lunar game. All those streets and houses that one can buy and sell with play money. The thing is, Trump plays it with real buildings.  
Now, my guess is that if you combine all of these elements - missing earth, the Sun/Uranus trines to Jupiter, Taurus MC and Venus conjunct Saturn in Cancer in the 12th, and the 5th house Moon opposed to Uranus - you have a pretty good formula for one Donald Trump. All of this goes to show that traditional ways of looking at wealth indicators in the horoscope may be too simple to account for the extraordinary complexity of real lives and charts.
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re: Donald Trump
« Reply #6 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Teresa Hamilton
 
Why is this guy rich? Why has he been successful in real estate? These questions are no-brainers for astrologers who work in the Eastern system. For great wealth the 2nd (wealth), 11th (gain) have to be linked to the 1st. Often also the 5th and/or 9th houses are involved. (These are fortunate houses.) In Trump's chart with a Cancer ascendant, Leo is the 2nd house sign. The Sun is in the 11th house with Rahu (increases gain) and both receive the trine of Jupiter, which is the 9th house (house of fortune) lord. Venus, the dispositor of the 2nd lord (Sun) in the 11th is in the first house/sign. So houses 1-2-11 are tied together, and they are supported by the 9th lord trines (Jupiter and Neptune).  
In the Eastern system Mars rules real estate. In Trump's chart Mars (lord of the benefic 5th and 10th house of career) is in the 2nd house of wealth with its dispositor (Sun) in the 11th house of gain, trined by Jupiter and Neptune. Mars also happens to be the dispositor of the Ascendant lord, Moon. Thus, the 1-2-11 pattern is repeated again with Mars, the lord of real estate. Political success? I doubt it. This belongs to the Moon and Jupiter, which must touch angles in some way. The Moon is in 5, and its dispositor is in the 2nd. Jupiter is in the 3rd, and its dispositor is in the 12th. No, Trump's chart is a money chart.
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« Reply #7 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Joan
 
It doesn't hurt him to have Pluto conjunct his Ascendant either. Talk about exuding power and the determination to be a self-made man. Thanks for the data.
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« Reply #8 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Ingrid Jeffries
 
 1. Venus (the ruler of his M.C.) conj. Saturn (the ruler of the 6th) in Cancer ruled by the Sag moon in the 5th house of speculation trining Mars in the first.  
2. Definitely with Sun in 11th trining Jupiter in second tho with the ruler of the 10th in the 12th conj. Saturn he may have skeletons that could be revealed esp with Neptune and Uranus opp. the Asc and in the 7th. Also Pluto on the Rising is powerfully magnetic force that could draw much political support.
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« Reply #9 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jackie Slevin
 
Why is he so rich? The answers are there, but somewhat obscure. Using Placidus his Neptune sits on the cusp of the third house within 7 minutes, so it's really a third house planet. Ruler of his 5th (speculation) is Jupiter retrograde, which trines the Sun, ruler of his 1st. Thus his outlook on throwing the dice functions on an inner level and he's lucky at it.  
Another reason why he's so rich is that ruler of his 2nd and the ruler of his 8th are in aspect, in this case a square. This square is what causes all the soap opera in his divorces, as his shared resources will not be cut and dry, no matter what measures he takes in pre nups. His financial status will always be exaggerated due to this aspect.  
The indication that Trump is so successful in his work is that the ruler of his 10th and the ruler of his 6th are conjunct. They're tucked away in the 12th house, but then, his success comes from the contracts he signs behind closed doors.  
In regards to success in real estate, Mars, co-ruler of his 4th house of land and property, is angular and in sextile to his Sun. But the kicker is the tight parallel between the Sun and Pluto, which also rules his 4th. His Sun also tightly parallels Uranus, which makes a person extraordinary in some way.  
Success in politics? The loaded 11th bodes well for his ability to sway the masses. Mars, ruler of the 9th house of media, is in the first and well aspected to the Sun. No one could question his ability to get things done; after all, politics IS the "art of the deal." He'll sure be able to finance his campaign, but Mercury, the ruler of his 11th (world visionary goals) squaring Neptune could lead to deception and double- speak, causing serious damage to his credibility.
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re: Donald Trump
« Reply #10 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Judi Vitale
 
It looks to me like this guy isn't "really" rich - because so much of what he has is borrowed, and his reputation was built upon that of his somewhat less flamboyant father. A hint for the real estate roots comes to me from the Lot of Fortune Chart. Placing Aquarius, the sign of the lot of fortune, in the first house, the Midheaven in Taurus falls in the Fourth house - real estate. Back in the Leo rising chart- with Whole Sign Houses, the Midheaven falls in the tenth (needs to "be somebody"), and then the Sun falls with the North node and Uranus in the 11th. Does this mean he is thinking about what's good for the "collective"? Much of his rhetoric does suggest that he believes he is making the world a better place for all of us. Jupiter, ruler of the 8th in my book, is trining the Sun, Node and Uranus, suggesting to me that he gets his financial support from other people's resources. (I'm sure that Citibank would agree with that one!)
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« Reply #11 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Irmgard Rauchhaus
 
Looking at Donald's 90 degree dial it's easy to spot the formula for recognition and success. SU/PL=JU, SU/JU=NE,Vx. Also confirmed SU conj. PL by declination. His Asc. at 17 degree Leo 34' shows his political inclination. Jupiter at 17 degree LI 27': "a person who will get considerable publicity; ambitious to be the greatest!" Will he be successful in getting the nomination of the Reform Party? I don't know.
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« Reply #12 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jayj Jacobs
 
The Donald's Solar Chart puts his Saturn Venus conjunction in the 2nd House -- along with powerful Pluto! That creates great wealth & crises. The Solar also puts the real estate indicating Moon in his 6th (as well as being in the Natal 5th of investments). As the Moon is only 3 degrees of orb from Jupiter I'd count & mark that as a Sextile. That Solar 6th Moon is also indicative of his health concerns & germ phobia. The Donald doesn't shake hands.
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« Reply #13 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User David Hawthorne
 
Using the Systems' Approach to Interpreting Horoscopes, based on Vedic Astrology and the sidereal zodiac, we see the second house of Status in life is Leo, ruled by the Sun, who is placed in the eleventh house of income and gains, where it is within two degrees of Rahu, the significator of sudden ups and downs. Further, Mars, the significator for property is in Leo, in the second house of status in life.  
So status in life comes through income and property, connected with Sun (his father was the source of his early success).  
Further, the fourth house is Libra, ruled by Venus, which is placed in the first house of Self. The fourth house rules fixed assets and property and are connected with the native.  
However, as Rahu can also cause unexpected losses, and as both Mars and Venus are weak in infant degrees, 03:38 and 02:34, respectively; and, as Sun is weak in old age degrees, 29:46; and as Moon the ruler of the chart is both old age and afflicted by Ketu to the exact degree, the long-term success is nil.  
Further, all the significators of his personal longevity are weak. Moon, the lord of the chart is debilitated and afflicted by Ketu, Saturn the natural significator for longevity (and lord of the eighth house of longevity) is weak at 00:42 degrees, and Sun, the significator for vitality is both weak at 29:46 degrees, and afflicted by Rahu at 27:41 degrees.  
All of this, combined with the weakness of the sixth lord and significator of health, Jupiter, whose dispositor, Mercury is placed in the twelfth house of loss, is indicative of health and longevity problems.  
In my opinion, the sudden gains are an illusion and short-lived.  
To further validate this reading, we can look at Venus, the significator for wife and see that it is weak at 02:34 degrees, in the first house, where it is afflicted by Saturn at 00:42 degrees, the eighth lord of obstructions.  
This affliction to Venus, along with the weakness of the second, fourth, and eighth lords, indicates a lack of marital and/or partnership success.  
Clearly, the success in this chart is of no avail.
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« Reply #14 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Gobi
 
Neptune in the 2nd house is usually like a "Cosmic Santa Claus". Money will always come to you and you may not even know why.  
You will always be saved at the last minute. Jupiter in the 2nd only serves to reinforce this.
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« Reply #15 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Luis Ortet
 
According to what we can read in the books, this is a chart (a kind of personality) better suited to politics than finance, a more earthy matter. Am I right?
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« Reply #16 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Michael Bradford
 
From the point of view of Vedic astrology, the chart of Donald Trump is a classic example of someone whose life revolves around money, property, investments and desire for success. Following are the main points which clearly indicate these traits.  
1. In the sidereal zodiac, using the 'one sign = one house' system, DT has Cancer ascending, with Venus and Saturn in the 1st house. Venus and Saturn are the two most materialistic planets of the zodiac. Saturn is very dense and physical by nature, and likes to accumulate things for the sake of security. Pleasure-loving Venus likes to have lots of nice things so it can appreciate and enjoy them. Together the two of them, when prominent in a birth chart, almost always indicate strong materialistic tendencies.  
If there is any doubt about this tendency, all one has to do is look at the Vedic charts of Bill Gates, Martin Frankel and J.P. Morgan (the Bill Gates of the 19th century), all of whom not only have Venus and Saturn either exalted or in their own sign, but also have an extremely powerful planetary combination or 'yoga' called Lakshmi Yoga, which is formed by these two planets, and is associated with great wealth.  
2. To compound the already materialistic tendencies of Venus, this planet also just happens to be the lord of the 4th house of (amongst other things in the Vedic system) property and fixed assets, and also of the 11th house, which governs financial gain and goals for the future. Is it any wonder that this man has had a lifelong goal of acquiring great wealth through property?  
3. Ascendant lord Moon is in the 5th house (Scorpio) aspected from the 11th house of financial gain by the Sun, the lord of the 2nd house of money and resources, who is closely associated with Rahu, the north node of the Moon. Rahu has the effect of creating extreme outer-worldly ambition, and the effect it has on the Sun, planet of personal power, and the Sun's effect on the Moon by aspect is to greatly intensify the already powerfully ambitious life goal of making money, to the point where it has become an obsession.  
4. Mars, the lord of the 10th house of career, is in the second house of money and resources in Leo, the sign of a great friend, where he is very powerful. This would also indicate a career centered around making money. Since Mars rules an angular house (the 10th) and also rules the 5th house, (a trinal house), it forms by itself what is called a Royal Yoga for power and wealth. The effect of this is magnified tremendously by the fact that Mars is not only the dispositor of the Moon, the ascendant lord, who is in Scorpio, but also aspects the Moon and 5th house from where he sits (aspects by planets in the Vedic system affect the entire house, and all planets in it).  
Any one of these four points would tend to indicate a person who is highly materialistic and would have as a life goal the acquisition of money. The fact that there are four of these tendencies, most of them very powerful, makes this conclusion virtually certain, and is a clear case of what is termed 'confluence' in Vedic astrology.  
Regarding the two questions posed in the e-mail about real estate and success in politics, the first question has already been answered in point 2 above. In Vedic astrology, the 5th and 10th houses indicate politics. DTs 10th house is very powerful as its lord Mars is in the sign of his great friend the Sun, planet of power, and forms a Royal Yoga which aspects both the 5th house and the Moon, the ascendant lord. The 10th house itself is aspected by Saturn from the 1st house, making career even more important for him. His 5th house of politics, which contains the 1st lord Moon, is also ruled by (and aspected by) this same powerful Mars, in the sign of the Sun, as well as by the Sun itself, the planet of power and ambition, inflamed by its association with Rahu, the north node of the Moon.  
Another quite amazing factor in this equation is the fact that DT, in his Vimshotri Dasha or 120 year Life Cycle system, just started in July of this year an 18 year cycle of the shadowy planet Rahu, the center of extreme outer-worldly ambition and desire for power, which so dramatically influences his Sun. Given all this, it would not be surprising to see DT achieve substantial success in politics in the coming years. The only downside for him in all this is the association of the Moon with Ketu, the south node of the Moon, who tends to indicates lack or loss in the physical realm and difficulty achieving worldly goals. It will be very interesting to see which of these influences predominates!
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« Reply #17 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Mary Motz
 
Another marked feature in the Donald's chart is the overwhelming Eastern orientation of all planets except the Moon - it would certainly contribute (in spades!) his Leonine self-orientation and enormous ego. Politics? I doubt it - this guy's in it for the attention! When he has to consider the condition of others, or help solve problems for (or with) other people, that desire for the political life will fold like a house of cards. He is an amusing character, though...he'll add some life to the election!
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« Reply #18 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bill Autrey
 
Please do not be so sure of your equal house bias. If you eliminate forever the signs buried in houses you deny clients some important information. Some times it is necessary to choose a different house system because it makes more sense. Moving planets around to make them fit what you think should be can be like using too many midpoints. I have used Placidus and Koch for 20 years and since I read karma and past lives I cannot in good conscious make it just easier for me. Donald Trump works just as well with Jupiter in the third. Thanks for listening.
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« Reply #19 - on: 31.03.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Luis Ortet
 
After reading all the comments on Donald Trump's horoscope I see that most people (among those using the tropical zodiac) agree this is not a typical chart of a successful businessman or a millionaire. One explanation for this discrepancy would be the overcompensation reaction against his lack of earth element, as Glenn Perry has pointed out. On the other hand we must not forget that he already was a millionaire when he was born (his father was a millionaire in real estate). The birth horoscope tells us about what happens in relation to the birth background, what the native will do from that starting point. It is not an absolute and objective kind of information. It is a relative and subjective kind of information instead. Finally I agree with Judi Vitale that he is less rich than he looks.
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