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« on: 16.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Jonathan Aitken, born 30 August 1942 at 07:00 AM in Dublin
 
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Here's an individual with all the prerequisites - sexual deviancy, political corruption, ever-present scandal - of an over-active Pluto. Yet we see a Pluto hidden in the 12th house, with no aspects to any personal points. How do we explain this? Are there other driving factors in his chart that make up for this weak Pluto? As you read through Aitken's biography, do you see other life experiences that more closely align with the chart?
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« Reply #1 - on: 10.05.2001 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Jon Dunn
 
"Here's an individual with all the prerequisites - sexual deviancy, political corruption, ever-present scandal - of an over-active Pluto. Yet we see a Pluto hidden in the 12th house, with no aspects to any personal points."  
I have been often impressed by the semisextile and quincunx when very close - in Aitken's case, the aspect with the Sun/Pluto is within a couple of minutes.  
Sometimes 1996 TL66 seems "more Pluto THAN Pluto" when it comes to acting out or going to extremes.  
1996 TL66 is closely conjunct a couple of significant asteroids natally: <pre>Eros 10:31 Aquarius rx 1996 TL66 10:52 Aquarius rx Pallas 11:48 Aquarius rx</pre>  
That is going to amplify and unleash the Erotic side - and Pallas possibly the political ambitions.  
"The nefarious means that he took to reach his goal began to unravel with a weekend in Paris on 9/17/1993, the weekend on which the Guardian reported and for which he sued for libel."  
Fascinatingly, on this date, 1996 TL66 was exactly conjoining Aitken's natal Moon: <pre>natal Moon 27 ar 37 tr 1996 TL66 27 ar 28 Rx</pre>  
transiting 1996 TL66 in 1993: <pre>01 Jan 1993 23 ar 38 Rx 01 Feb 1993 23 ar 50 01 Mar 1993 24 ar 23 01 Apr 1993 25 ar 16 01 May 1993 26 ar 13 01 Jun 1993 27 ar 7 01 Jul 1993 27 ar 42 01 Aug 1993 27 ar 56 01 Sep 1993 27 ar 43 Rx 01 Oct 1993 27 ar 11 Rx 01 Nov 1993 26 ar 29 Rx 01 Dec 1993 25 ar 53 Rx</pre>  
( ephemeris created with: jonathanclarkdunn.com/astro/asteroids.cgi?submit=action::ephemeris )
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« Reply #2 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Donal Holland
 
<p align="left">Just to mention some of the perhaps more obvious points which seem as yet not to have been considered: the tight conjunction of the ASC ruler (Mercury) and 7th house ruler (Neptune) must in part represent the need for Aitken to present a core image / illusion / fiction of himself before the public (in the sense that the 7th house represents others). <p align="left">The ruler of the fifth (children / creativity) in the 10th house suggests aspects of this house being brought before the public, especially when this planet (Saturn) is linked to Neptune (Pluto = mid-point of Saturn and Neptune / Mercury conjunction) a planet which is as much about revelation as about illusion. Hence knowledge of his secret daughter, Petrina, being brought to world attention. <p align="left">The prominent Mars (ie. close to ASC, and in the 1st house) represents forceful energy and yet being in anal retentive Virgo it does suggest a certain amount of imploded energy, energy that is not fully released, or at least not in very Martian-like bursts and so becomes blocked, becoming perhaps self-referential, in other words directed back at the self. Could this then be a representation of his masochistic behaviour? <p align="left">The mid-point between Pluto and Jupiter forms a square with the Moon. This seem particularly important because of Jupiter's exalted position (Cancer) and also because Jupiter is being channeled to the planet ruling Cancer, the Moon. The importance of this configuration is underlined because Pluto is being channeled into its own natural house, the 8th (the house the Moon occupies). Furthermore this square is cardinal suggesting dynamism, thrust, push. The 11 house Pluto (powerful friends / colleagues) and 11 house Jupiter (benefiting through friends / colleagues) and the 8th house itself (underworld, crime, money that involves other people) is of course well documented in Aitken's biography as is of course the financial element represented by Pluto (wealth) and Jupiter (money). Moreover, the sign of Cancer does suggest overseas, hence the foreign element in his business, sexual and other dealings. All of this is brought to bear on the 8th house Moon in Aries.
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« Reply #3 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bill Marshall
 
Aitken's Pluto has the mid-point =Mercury/Saturn and Saturn/Neptune. According to Eberin'e CSI it means: Toil or grappling with unusual problems and heavy problems. Mercury Saturn mid-point with Pluto to me is the mastermind who fails.
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« Reply #4 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Judi Vitale
 
I think that Mars traveling so closely with that Mercury-Neptune conjunction could have a "pluto effect" all its own. The tight quincunx, or aversion, with the Moon could show that he has little or no emotional relationship to his compulsion to indulge in debauchery. The incidence of tuberculosis at the age of three, which caused him to be confined and feeling "deformed", could at least in part explain his poor self-esteem and self-destructive impulse. Finally, the Sun, Node and ASC, while affiliated with the Mars, Mercury and Neptune, and ALL in the 1st house, say to me that here is a person who is "supposed" to find himself in this lifetime. Unfortunately, he seems to dislike what he has found so intensely that he did all he could to live up to his distorted self-image behind a veneer of success and some power. Because of the Venus, Pluto and Chiron in the 12th, ruled by the Sun, I would not be surprised to find that he "likes" being in prison, or at least that the environment will allow him to... [message truncated]
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« Reply #5 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Glenn Perry
 
One does not have to have a prominent Pluto to be a sleazeball. There are different types of sleaze. In Aitken's case, his is more the Neptunian type - lies, deception, fraud - and one does not need to look far to find evidence of this in his chart. Note the stellium of four planets plus Ascendant in Virgo. This makes Mercury not only the chart ruler but also the dispositor of the other three Virgo planets. Mercury thus becomes, perhaps, the most important planet in his chart. The fact that it's exactly conjunct Neptune suggests that Aitken made reality up as he went along. In other words, whenever reality intruded on his fantasy, Aitken would simply distort the facts or substitute pure fiction to keep his dream humming along until eventually it all came crashing down like a house of cards. With his Sun conjunct the Ascendant, and three additional planets in the first house, plus his Moon in Aries, this is a rather aggressive, even predatory individual. Combine that with Saturn conjunct Uranus, with both sitting on his MC and squaring his Sun, and we have a picture of a driven, ambitious man who is willing to bend and even break the rules to get to the top. As for his sexual proclivities, Venus sits unaspected in the 12th house. Unaspected planets frequently operate like loose cannons in the psyche, renegade outlaw gods that do their own thing without regard for the rest of the psyche. Since Venus is also in the 12th, it is not surprising that it operated in a stealth, hidden manner that was at odds with his public image of respected politician.
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« Reply #6 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Susan Santomieri
 
<a name="Susan"></a>Pluto and the Sun are closely connected - an almost exact semi-sextile (4 minute orb), plus the Sun disposits Pluto. Another tight aspect, Mercury conjunct Neptune, illustrates his propensity for deception. And transiting Saturn in his 9th, sesquisquare the natal conjunction, shows his current legal problems....  
Are you sure Dublin observed WT? My software program, Solar Fire, calculated the chart with -1 summer time.
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re: Jonathan Aitken
« Reply #7 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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<b>Lois Rodden's reply</b>:  
Susan, my web site elves made a mistake on Jonathan Aitken, giving his BST time zone a number of -2. They apparently got Greenwich War Time (-1) confused with British Double War time (-2) which was only observed in England, but not in Ireland. The elves got confused in seeing a summer birth in war time and subtracted an extra hour, overwriting the ACS Atlas. To show how complicated this gets: England observed double war time in 1945 and 1947, but not in 1946. The moral of the story: check all your data against the ACS Atlas, and follow its advice. It is far too complicated for any human being to remember all these time changes.  
We have corrected the chart to GWT (-1). This changes the ascendant from 0 degrees Virgo to 10 degrees Virgo, the MC from 18 Taurus to 3 Gemini, moves Pluto back into the 11th house and the Sun back into the 12th house.  
There are always going to be mistakes in the data business and I am always appreciative when people help me find them. Thank you to everyone who pointed out the time zone error. It is so ironic that my web elves made a mistake on BST (British Summer Time). I have long lobbied against using BST. It is so easy to misread this as British Standard Time - which doesn't exist. That's why I use GMT (Greenwich Mean Time 0), GDT (Greenwich Daylight Time -1), GWT (Greenwich War Time -1), and GDWT (Greenwich Double War Time) in AstroDatabank.
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re: Jonathan Aitken
« Reply #8 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Julian Armistead
 
Pluto sex maybe.  
But Neptune is more like what one might look for sleaze and corruption. And how about Hades?  
I've not looked at the chart - yet.
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« Reply #9 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Dorothy Oja
 
Jonathan Aitken has an exact semi-sextile between Pluto and Sun. Although a minor aspect, I've found if exact or partile, a semi-sextile registers strongly. I only use exact semi-sextiles. I do not consider Pluto in H12 to be weak. It is in a wide conj to Venus in Leo by approx. 9 deg. I realize this will be considered too wide by many but H12 has fewer boundaries and the energies tend to blend together into a cosmic unity. This is my sense of it. Pluto and Venus in H12 are difficult psychologically - one cannot always understand or even know the sum total of the message unless one is willing to be very honest and regularly self-reflective. There is great opportunity to have self-delusion, in the case of Pluto - hidden motives, in the case of Venus and Pluto - unfulfilled desires, needs and wishes - illusions and blind spots also regularly plague the individual in this house. The nodes on the horizon can easily bring the individual into the larger community connection. His notoriety and social rebellion is... [message truncated]
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« Reply #10 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Teresa Hamilton
 
Sex and political corruption existed long before Pluto was discovered. This interpretation for Pluto is a far cry from Edgar Cayce's statement that the planet represents the development spiritual awareness of mankind. I personally believe that Pluto has nothing to do with Aitken's character.  
Assuming that we can trust the birth time given by a known liar, and using Sidereal signs as houses: The aspect I would notice immediately is the elevated Saturn square the N Node (Rahu), Sun and Mars in the first sign/house. Saturn, Mars and Rahu all influence the Sun, the signature planet of the Soul (an ancient idea that has been preserved in India).  
In addition, Mercury shares its degree with Neptune. The charm of the man is linked to the Sun in its own sign on the Ascendant comgined with Mars, the lord of the 9th. This is a powerful "kingly" combination.  
If we scan Lois Rodden's AD5, we'll find that the Moon's N Node plays a distinct role in the charts of criminals. Very often Saturn and/or Mars will combine in some way with the N Node and personal planets. Rahu is a shadowy body, well suited to corruption, dishonesty, lies and intrigue (when under affliction). In India Rahu is also said to be extremely greedy and ambitious. Rahu with the Sun (here, the Asc lord in 1) is particularly bad.  
Unusual sex? Saturn, lord of 7, with Uranus and the Moon's S Node in the 7th house of sexual relationships--in a sign of Saturn. That's a nasty over-all combination: elevated Saturn/Uranus square the malefic Asc planets and S Node in the 7th. When articles appeared about his arms smuggling in Dec '95, Saturn was exactly opposite Mars, the lord of his 9th house of prestige.
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« Reply #11 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Sylvia Tobias
 
A Mercury/Neptune conjunction in the first house can lead to lies and corruption. Neptune in the first never allows one to get away with anything either - just ask Bill Clinton about that. People tend to mistrust or misunderstand people with Neptune in the 1st too. A prominent Pluto is not the only indicator of sexual deviancy or desire for power. The Sun in the 1st house square to Saturn and Uranus in the 10th could indicate a desire for political leadership the need for dominance (autocratic leadership) and a need to employ excitement/being different from the norm. The Sun and several other planets in the 1st house could bring an inordinate need for attention as well. Furthermore, his 12th house Venus is square the Midheaven bringing a need for sensual pleasure and the love of others which may be requited. It probably also accounts for his charm.
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« Reply #12 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User lisa
 
Just a few comments based on the natal chart (using placidus). Significant hidden power/manipulation Pluto 12th, also hidden relationships (wounded in some way) with venus and chiron. But the deception and distortion of the details and indeed values comes from the exact mercury neptune conjunction in the second house, which then leads directly to public life (10th), uranus conj saturn (the system) in gemini. this is the configuration which links to pluto in the 12th and also the 1st house sun and mars. Re. current transits t.Pluto brings up deep stuff from the 4th opposing directly with public life/career and t.neptune and t.uranus go into and through the 6th triggering the hidden 12th. Just a quick observation.
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« Reply #13 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Llewellin RG Jegels
 
He has Saturn parallel to Uranus applying for 237days symbolizing restriction, loss and scandal pertaining to fame and politics. Undesired fame to put it in one sentence. Also this ranks as a perpetual progression for him (237 years) so he will always be hounded by scandal of one kind or another. In addition the midpoint of Saturn and Uranus squares his sun meaning that there will again be loss of credibility in politics/fame for the individual. He does however have the midpoint of Uranus and Pluto sextiling his sun. Therefore he will be a powerful and competitive politician.
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« Reply #14 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Ken Humke
 
May I suggest that before people start analyzing this chart, the data be rechecked. Specifically, according to both the electronic and bound versions of ACS Atlas, Dublin was on BST, NOT BWT in 1942. This makes sense inasmuch as Ireland was by WWII an independent country, apart from the six counties of Northern Ireland, and not part of the UK or a belligerent in the war. There was therefore no reason for the country to be on war time.  
If 7:00 AM as given is correct, this chart is an hour off. The correct Ascendant would be 10 degrees and 27 minutes Virgo, with the Sun conjunct from the 12th house square Uranus culminating - a rather differently oriented chart, and I would think consistent both with public prominence and undesired publicity/exposure. I would also note that Uranus is the one planet with a major longitudinal aspect (sextile) to Pluto, while Jupiter makes a rather wide (1 degree 01 minute) and separating parallel aspect to Pluto, indicative of the pursuit of wealth and power, in this case apparently to an obsessive and reckless extent. Saturn, though separating from conjunction with Uranus, is parallel Uranus within a 29 minute orb, while closely square the Ascendant. Possibly the combination of these two less than ideally compatible planetary energies, in challenging configuration with the Sun and Ascendant, finds part of its expression in sexual activity transacted in the currency of raw power - the same currency used to... [message truncated]
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« Reply #15 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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<b>Lois Rodden's reply</b>: Ken, you're right. We've changed Aitken's chart to BST. For details, see my reply to [was_link]Susan Santomieri's comment[/was_link], above.
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« Reply #16 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Aitken's Plutonian tactics may be ascribed to the very fact that his Pluto is unaspected. When a planet is completely unaspected to any personal planet, the energy of that planet can run away with the person, consume them. The fact that Pluto is in his 12th house natally only emphasizes the fact that Aitken was quite adept at keeping all Plutonian under lock and key, which he certainly did. Note that he also had a void -of-course Moon which can be an indication that he didn't successfully bond to his mother during infancy, so emotionally there can be an element of "white space" in his personality. The stellium in Virgo in the 1st illustrates Aitken's battle with TB in youth, and the exact conjunction of Mercury and Neptune tells us that Aitken sought escape from suffering through fantasy, a fantasy which he was able to implement in his adult life.  
Clareta Petacci, the mistress of Mussolini, also had an unaspected Pluto, and look how sex and intrigue enveloped her life! She even took the first bullet for Il Duce (and was killed by it) by throwing herself in front of him as a protective human shield once the shooting began. Talk about Pluto! See unaspected planets can take over?
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« Reply #17 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Michael Bradford
 
After reviewing the chart of Jonathan Aitken, I have come to the conclusion that the birth time of 7:00 a.m. very likely not correct. The notes say that it is from memory, but do not give any more detail. Given that double DST was in effect, and that the source was probably from memory long after the event actually happened, it is not unreasonable to suppose that the time estimate is somewhat questionable.  
The first thing I did with the chart is to attempt to rectify it by casting the chart with only the date and place of birth, but without looking at the time of day. I practice mostly with the Vedic sidereal system, and find it to be excellent for doing this, probably because this system indicates outer life circumstances very well. I have found that if I have sufficient information about the person, then I can determine the ascending sidereal constellation correctly about 40% to 50% of the time.  
My conclusion was that Mr. Aitken was born between about 5:30 and 6:10 a.m., which would place his ascendant right at the end of sidereal Cancer, or about 21 - 22 degrees Leo of the tropical zodiac. When I saw the time was stated as 7:00 a.m., I compared the two charts and found that the later time did not seem to fit Mr. Aitken anywhere near as well as the 6:10 chart. For those of you who are familiar with, or are interested in, Vedic astrology, I will outline the main reasons for this conclusion.  
1. The 6:10 ascendant gives 28-04 Cancer (sidereal) ascending which is in the lunar mansion of Aslesha. The later time gives 7-07 Leo, which is the lunar mansion Magha. Although the connotations of Magha do seem to be in Mr. Aitken's life to some degree, (i.e., being comfortable in a position of power), the fact that he has the Sun and the North Node in Magha is enough to explain this. But Magha does not have the devious and cunning qualities that Ashlesha does. Aslesha (whose symbol is a coiled serpent) also denotes secret sex and pain, as well as many disruptions in life, all of which seem to apply to Mr. Aitken very well.  
2. In the Hindu Dasha-Bhukti or life cycle system, Mr. Aitken had his paralyzing illness start at the age of 3, around the time of his Ketu (South Node of the Moon) / Saturn period. Chronic illness is an 8th house type of event, and for the 6:10 time, with Cancer ascendant, Ketu is in the 8th house, and Saturn, the planet of restriction and limitation, is the lord of the 8th house (Aquarius), in the 11th house (the traditional Vedic system does not use the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto). From this position, Saturn aspects the 1st house (in Vedic astrology, planets aspect whole houses). At 7:00 a.m., with Leo ascendant, the 8th house is Pisces, and Jupiter, its lord, does not aspect either the ascendant or the ascendant lord (Sun).  
3. This same configuration of Ketu in the 8th house with Saturn as lord of the 8th house aspecting the 1st house also symbolizes very appropriately Mr. Aitken's sexual proclivities (the 8th house governs compulsive sexual desires, and Ketu is associated with violence, compulsion and strangeness). The 8th house also governs ruination of reputation, and both Saturn and Ketu are malefics. None of this is indicated in the Leo rising chart. This same configuration is also very appropriate as Saturn as ruler of the 8th house of other people's money sits in the 11th house which, in Vedic astrology, symbolizes financial gains for the native. He made a career out of gaining financially from other people's money.  
4. The Cancer ascendant has the Sun, Rahu (the North Node of the Moon) and Mars in the 2nd house of finance, aspecting the 8th house (of other peoples money). Rahu and Mars, particularly in the constellation of Leo, denote extreme ambition and desire. If they had been in the 1st house, (the Leo ascendant), Mr. Aitken would have been much more interested in power rather than money.  
5. In the Cancer rising chart Mars, the lord of the 10th house (career) and 5th house (which rules government formation in Vedic astrology) are in the 2nd house of money. He had a career in the finance department of the government. In the Leo rising chart, Mars rules the 9th house of spiritu- ality and the 4th house of home and morals, and sits in the 1st house, a placement that is in no way indicated in his life.  
6. In the Cancer rising chart Mercury, the planet of the thinking mind, in its exaltation constallation of Virgo, is in the 3rd house of communications, indicating a natural ability in the field of writing and journalism, a very important part of Mr. Aitken's life. In the Leo chart, unafflicted Mercury is in the 4th house of home, mother, and morals -- none of which seem to be reflected in his life.
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« Reply #18 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
[continued from posting above:] by Michael Bradford
Also, in the Leo rising chart, the third house is ruled by Venus, who is buried in the 12th house, weak in the constellation of Cancer, whose ruler Moon is an enemy of Venus. This does not indicate writing ability of inclination at all.  
With regard to the lack of effect shown by Pluto, the Vedic system (which does not traditionally include Pluto), very clearly indicates these unsavory tendencies in other ways, as outlined above.  
Since the 6:10 birth time seems to be much more appropriate in the Vedic system, It might be worthwhile considering, for those who practice Western, tropical astrology, to redo the chart with this earlier time and see if it helps to explain Mr. Aitken's life in a better way.
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« Reply #19 - on: 18.07.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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<b>Lois Rodden's reply</b>: Michael, we've changed Aitken's chart to BST. Please see my reply to [was_link]Susan Santomieri's comment[/was_link], above.
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