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« on: 31.12.2000 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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Dalai Lama XIV, born 6 July 1935 at 04:38 AM in Tengster Village
 
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  • What makes him such a leader for peace and grounded spirituality?
  • Where does he get his infectious enthusiasm and intense curiosity about the world?
  • What chart indicators do you find for exile from his country on 03/31/1959?
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« Reply #1 - on: 14.02.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Marcello Borges
 
Hi, Mark, Lois,  
I was watching the movie "Kundun" again and I found an intriguing remark made by one of the Dalai Lama's assistants: that they found November 17, 1950 to be the most propitious date for his "inauguration" as Dalai Lama. What can we say about this?
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« Reply #2 - on: 10.02.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Dan Levine
 
The Dali Lama's chart shows an remarkable degree of integration around the twin themes of protection and service. With the Sun sign of Cancer on the Cancer ascendant, and forming an unusually tight kite formation with Saturn, Jupiter, and the moon-Neptune conjunction, he remains firmly anchored at the center of his experiences. The Cancer symbols of home or homeland and protection are strongly underscored. Moreover, the sun is the focal planet in the strong locomotive pattern with the empty sector of the horoscope defined by the Saturn-Jupiter trine. He is able to marshal his considerable resources in a very focused and highly personal manner. Additionally, his sun is square to mars. His drive and determination is pronounced. However, the lack of fire emphasis indicates that his considerable efforts are not engaged in personal ambition. This is a man with a powerful purpose, but not on behalf of his own personal self interests.  
His powerful drive and profound sense of purpose is complemented by his moon-Neptune conjunction in Virgo. His daily life is centered around the need to serve others and to transcend a more limited personal perspective. The contact of his moon and Neptune indicates a high idealism and striving for purity in thought and action. His inexhaustible resourcefulness is always channeled into causes that have little to do with personal benefits and has everything to do with social justice, and acts of kindness and charity. One manifestation of this close moon-Neptune contact is the public's identification of him as the "Dali Lama," symbol of Tibetans' struggle for freedom.  
His keen sense of perception is indicated by the strong integration of his 3rd house moon-Neptune conjunction at the apex of the kite formation. This is reinforced by the location of mercury, ruler of Virgo, in the 12th house, and in its own sign of Gemini. Mercury is the sole dispositor of the entire chart, and its placement in the 12th house further supports the emphasis on a universal and transcendental orientation. Mercury's only aspects are a trine to mars and a sextile to Venus. He has a lively intelligence that is well trained and socially adaptable. As the ruler of the 4th and 12th houses, mercury as sole dispositor eloquently symbolizes his focus over the loss of his homeland and his roots. It also suggests his tireless advocacy for the rights of Tibetans.  
The grand trine of the sun, Jupiter and Saturn in water signs suggests that his own self interests are absorbed by or identified with larger group-national interests. Again the dominant theme of this chart: a dynamic self striving on behalf of others, and not for personal gain. Jupiter, ruler of the 6th of service, work and discipline, is in the 5th, and suggests that he is always ready to take simple pleasures and pastimes and use them as means of regeneration and transformation, the Scorpio emphasis here. Saturn, in the 9th, is ruler of the 7th of open conflicts and is in opposition to Neptune ruler of the public presentation 10th, and the moon, ruler of the very personal 1st house. Forced into exile in 1959 by the Chinese invasion of his homeland, he developed a new base in a foreign country from which to carry on his spiritual duties of ministering to his people and to press on with a determined effort to gain freedom for Tibetans. The Jupiter and Saturn placements, along with the dynamic 3rd house planets, and the unusually focal Mercury, indicate a skilled teacher who is driven to share his wisdom and message of Buddhist compassion with one and all.  
Mars in the 4th of home, homeland and roots is square to the sun and Pluto in the 1st. It is also intercepted by sign. It is not surprising that these are the very issues that energize the Dali Lama and for which he works so tirelessly.
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« Reply #3 - on: 14.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Barbara Blackie
 
The Dalai Lama's Sun is in the nurturing sign of Cancer, giving him the energy to protect his people, fueling his Virgo Moon's need to be correct, insightful, and exact on Neptune's lofty spiritual path. What better combination of Sun and Moon energies can we imagine for the spiritual father of those who seek 'right action'? His Sun is trined by Saturn in Pisces, which gives him the ability to work tirelessly, and, being opposed by Neptune, makes him ever aware of spiritual obligations. He's a realist and Saturn's trine (the closest aspect in this chart) to his Ascendant makes him deliberate, careful, and controlled in demeanor.  
Serious Saturn does not always hold sway, however. Mercury in Gemini rose just before the Sun, and it indicates a scintillating mind. Its twelfth house home makes compassion, self-sacrifice, and withdrawal from every-day life most natural subjects of communication and contemplation. The Ascendant contacts the Mercury/Node midpoint, lending a personal focus to the exchange of ideas with others, and a tendency to form associations with others to pursue joint interests, while the Mercury/Pluto midpoint contact indicates an exercise of intellectual influence over others - 'supreme ruler', if you will. His Holiness always urges reflection, not simply feeling. "When we are suffering, we must ask ourselves what we are doing to cause this suffering." Coupled with his Mercury Pluto semi-sextile, we see the indications of a penetrating intellect, one that digs below the surface of things to find answers to spiritual problems. (He also loves to take watches apart..) <p align="left">Jupiter, Lord of Expansion, is trining the Sun - here is a natural counselor and teacher with an instinct for the truth. An additional trine from Saturn lends easy understanding of the way things work and innate ability to teach others, a born problem-solver. Jupiter's placement in Scorpio suggests a fighter for truth with a penetrating mind. Here is one with the philosophy of 'getting to the bottom of things' Jupiter's 5th house location makes him a born guide and teacher to his many 'children'. The picture is completed by a sextile from Neptune. As is so often the case, the theme is repeated over and over: Under a Pisces Midheaven, here is a teacher of compassion, one who will minister to others. On the day His Holiness was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Jupiter was exactly conjunct his Ascendant. <p align="left">In 1959, as the day of exile drew close, these were some of the transiting aspects: Progressed Moon conjunct Pluto, indicating an emotional transformation and perhaps a change of residence. Transiting Uranus in the 2nd trine Pluto: sudden changes in material circumstances and involvement with matters of 'ultimate concern' philosophically. Transiting Uranus square Jupiter indicating a radical change in 'lifestyle'. Transiting Jupiter in the 5th square Venus inspiring courageous affection for 'his children'. Transiting Saturn in the 6th trine Uranus lends order to the transformations that are afoot and helps pave the way for the Dalai-Llama's 'debut' in the world as the exiled leader of Tibet. Venus conjunct Uranus - I have often seen this aspect bring a sudden departure or break in routine. (3/24) Mars square Midheaven suggesting a conflict with those in authority. (3/26) At the same time, Mars conjuncts Mercury in the 12th house, indicating a time when the native will be forced into the background. <p align="left">The following Midpoint Pictures were highlighted as the Tibetans fled into exile on March 31, 1959: Moon = Mercury/ASC: sensitivity to reactions of others Uranus = Sun/Neptune: Adjusting old dreams to fit new situations Mars = Mars/Venus: Activities where speed and elements of danger are emphasized Venus = Sun/Neptune: Journeys to far-distant places Node = Uranus/Midheaven: Sudden turns in events; destiny, finding allies, opportunism Sun = Mercury/Node: Joint plans, association for joint interest, transport smuggled items Saturn = Moon/Uranus: Striving for independence; sudden separations <p align="left">I want to thank Marc for the inspiration to look at this chart in detail. The Dalai Lama is the only person on the planet that I really respect.
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« Reply #4 - on: 09.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bettina Woolard
 
<p align="left">I'd like to add something about the exile. At the time that the Dalai Lama was exiled from his native country, transiting Pluto (radical changes) was within orb of a conj. to his natal Venus, ruler of his 12th (Sidereal) house of ... well ... exile! Saturn was within orb of an opposition to his natal asc, Uranus was square his Jupiter, and Mars was transiting his Mercury, ruler of his asc. The Mars and Saturn transits in particular show enmity or attacks to the self from another. Also, the degree of transiting Navamsa Pluto at that time was just past his natal asc and right on his Sun (again, radical changes).
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« Reply #5 - on: 08.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bettina Woolard
 
The Dalai Lama's chart bears a strong resemblance to that of another well known spiritual master, the 19th Century Bengali saint, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. If the birth times are correct, both have Sun (as well as other planets) on the asc involved with a grand trine with Saturn in the 9th and Jupiter in the 5th. In both cases all these planets are in Sidereal air; Tropical water. It has been written (but I can't remember where) that a highly evolved spiritual being must have Saturn and Jupiter strongly placed, and a balance between the two.  
Saturn has to do with humility, discipline, renunciation, and simplicity, while Jupiter has to do with expansiveness and the religious instinct. With only the former strong, the person would tend to be overly serious, depressive, and have a hard time trusting in a higher power, with only the latter strong, grandiosity, pomp, and vanity tend to take over.  
In the navamsa (9th harmonic) Saturn is on the asc, again emphasizing simplicity and humility and balancing out the Solar influence on the natal asc, which can be overly bombastic.  
Saturn opposing Venus can indicate a sacrifice of personal affections and relationships for the service of humanity. Saturn also aspects Venus in the navamsa.  
Listen to what Esther V. Leinbach says about the degree 10-11 Trop. Cancer, which would be 17-18 Gemini in the Sidereal: "This degree stimulates the growing force of the spirit in material form. There is immense living vitality." And then, "It is the most likely degree for the broad minded humanitarian identification of [Tropical] Cancer to come through. It endows an abundance of strength, both mental and physical. The degree contributes to the love of home which branches out to encompass humanity as a whole." (From "Degrees of the Zodiac"). I think this is the degree Wakinya Ska referred to and I agree that it sounds correct.
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« Reply #6 - on: 08.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Wakinya-Ska
 
<p align="left">I took the liberty to rectify the natal chart and I think that you will find my work to be illuminating. The time of 4:46 A.M. LMT at the same co-ordinates produces an asc. of 11Cancer43'. That Asc. fits the profile of the Reincarnated Master Teacher, Buddha of Compassion. The degree of the Midheaven at 23Pisces58' is also very interesting. The Saturn (retrograde) in Pisces in the 9th house Square Chiron in Gemini in the 11th in Gemini Opposed the Moon Neptune conjunction in Virgo is a very significant Mutable T-Square. This configuration is the significator of his "Mission" to humanity and his "challenge" with worldly power. The Chinese situation is just part of that challenge. Developing a personal philosophy to fit his situation in exile and remaining the Spiritual head of the Tibetans while doing it is also part of his challenge. I believe this is a truly remarkable being with a tough chart to whip into shape. I tend to admire those who develop under the powerful T-Square influence.
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« Reply #7 - on: 06.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Anthony Louis
 
<p align="left">1. What makes him such a leader for peace and grounded spirituality? <p align="left">Using the sunrise chart gives him a Pisces Midheaven, Pisces being the sign most associated with peace and spirituality. His sun lies in Cancer, ruled by the Moon, which conjoins Neptune, the modern ruler of Pisces. The sun in cardinal Cancer (suggesting leadership) lies in a close sextile to his Moon/Neptune conjunction, again emphasizing his gentle spirituality. Saturn in compassionate Pisces is his most elevated planet and occupies the 9th house of religion. Pluto in nurturing Cancer rises in the first house, giving him great personal presence that makes a powerful impact on others. <p align="left">2. Where does he get his infectious enthusiasm and intense curiosity about the world? <p align="left">His grand trine (Sun-Jupiter-Saturn) in water signs and in "fire" houses (1-5-9) gives grounding, great enthusiasm for spiritual matters, the ability to inspire others, and immense curiosity about the world. Mercury in its home sign Gemini also signifies great curiosity; and in the 12th house, an interest in spiritual matters. <p align="left">3. What chart indicators do you find for exile from his country on 03/31/1959? <p align="left">At the time of the exile, the following were in effect:
  • <p align="left">Secondary progressed sun square secondary progressed Uranus: sudden disruptive events.
  • <p align="left">Secondary progressed Ascendant (of sunrise chart) moves from Cancer to Leo: the change of sign of the progressed Ascendant or MC usually correlates with a major change in one's life.
  • <p align="left">The Solar Eclipse of 8 April 59 falls in his 10th house (governmental authority) opposite natal Mars in his 4th house (homeland). Transiting Mars at the time of the exile and during the eclipse is conjunct natal Mercury, which occupies and rules his 12th house of exile.
  • <p align="left">The Solar Eclipse of the previous 13 October 1958 took place at 19 Libra, conjunct his natal Mars in his 4th house. These two solar eclipses that span the latter half of 1958 and the first half of 1959 emphasize this theme of strife (Mars) at home (the 4th house).
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« Reply #8 - on: 05.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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While searching for Lhasa's latitude and longitude (29n40, 91e09), Astrodienst says Lhasa is in China. This is, of course, erroneous - Lhasa is in Tibet, which the Chinese illegally occupy.  
I just reported this error to Astrodienst. Their URL is http://www.astro.com/h/index_e.htm. Go to their "Atlas Query" page, look for Lhasa, and see for yourself. If they still tell you that Lhasa is in China, use their "report error" function. (I guess my comments on His Holiness' chart and progressions will have to wait for a while <sigh>.)
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« Reply #9 - on: 04.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Robert Shinn
 
<p align="left">1. Saturn on the cusp of the 9th house in Pisces & the tail end of the kite. 2. Aries M.C. & Mars the ruler opp. in Libra. 3. ?
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« Reply #10 - on: 04.12.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Julie Jewell
 
I am using Whole Signs. Not too much change from standard houses.. Moon goes to 3rd , Uranus goes to 11th house.  
What makes him such a leader for peace and grounded spirituality?  
Moon/Neptune conjunct indicates empathy, naturally sensitive to the experience and feelings of others. Mo/Ne Opposition to Saturn in Pisces equals more sensitivity. MC in Pisces adds the spiritual leader into the mix. Add Mercury/Chiron in the 12th and pile on some more "spiritual" consciousness. Oh, then take into account that the ruler of the chart, the Moon, is disposited by an inhabitant of the 12th (Mercury). Consider that the Moon in the 3rd is in mutual reception to Mercury in Gemini. Another fishy feather in this soggy hat. The Pisces overtone is quite large.  
If he is grounded, then it would be from the t-square from Saturn to Chiron to Moon/Neptune. That kind of emotional challenge builds character and compassion - or else!  
You are referring to the Moon in Virgo for the "grounded" part, but I don't know if he is, indeed grounded. He looks more squishy than grounded to me.  
2. Where does he get his infectious enthusiasm and intense curiosity about the world?  
Moon in the 3rd is usually fairly jolly. I see the Moon/Neptune as the indicator of himself. He is in his "neighborhood" with his monk sibs .. 3rd house, getting some stress from his spiritual karma .. Chiron square from 12th, but generally at home with the cloistered nature of his life.. ruler's dispositor in 12th. He was definitely born to be confined.  
I agree with Steve Zephyr (below), who so adeptly explained the Cancerian manipulative, and shrewd nature. That South Node, Sun and Pluto conjunction in Cancer is definitely the "old guy" reborn to take care of some biz niz. Contrary to popular belief, Cancer is not all sweet and lovey. It is more inclined toward domination for the sake of self-protection. Steve's idea that he is controlling public opinion in the world is totally in keeping with the Cancer nature.  
3. What chart indicators do you find for exile from his country on 03/31/1959?  
Tr Uranus was at 12 Leo in the 2nd house.. Semisextile N Sun .. Sextile N Chiron .. Semisextile N Neptune .. Square NJupiter .. Square Tr Venus .. By whole sign, Uranus is in the 11th. Uranus in wants to save the world in the 11th, or at least, his people. Transiting Uranus engaged his Solar Grand Trine in the house of resources and he had to learn the true meaning of his own commitment. He had to leave behind all of his "stuff" and find his true spiritual purpose.
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« Reply #11 - on: 03.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Bill Lindsay
 
<p align="left">1. What makes him such a grounded spiritual leader ... this chart is loaded with great strength and grounding, wisdom ... he has a grand trine in Water which includes a rising Cancer Sun, in trine to Jupiter in Scorpio, both trine with Saturn in Pisces ... it is tempered by a Moon-Neptune conjunction in Virgo ... here earth combines with water ... Virgo order protects the sensitive and compassionate water influences ... he lives simply and espouses only ideas based in honesty and truth ... what the body and spirit really needs ... a Cancer Sun understands the necessity of a routinized lifestyle ... Jupiter is his desire to know the real truth about things ... he knows his feelings ... himself ... Saturn in Pisces he learns from the past ... this powerful grand trine enables him to relate the past to the present and future ... the Virgo power (Moon and Neptune) he is able to live rigorously as well, but comfortably and safe ... there is safety in routine and hard work ... by knowing his own inner truth ... his soul ... he can easily know others' ... to visit him would be to bare one's own soul ... also I can't fail to notice the first house Pluto ... though it was about one hour before Pluto was to rise ... the fact that Pluto was in the first house only strengthens his insights and penetrating visions... <p align="left">2. Infectious curiosity ... he has Jupiter in a very powerful position ... he wants to know everything about everything ... he is tireless ... he will go to any lengths to find out about the world ... and inspires others' curiosity ... but he also has Mercury in Gemini ... in trine with Mars in Libra and sextile Venus in Leo ... the long hours in contemplation and silence he must have been restless at times ... he may be a peaceful man but not always ... conflict inspires ideas ... his Mars in Libra tends to reflect his willingness to fight to defend and be active in foreign relations ... though it may threaten his peace of mind at times... <p align="left">3. Exile ... on that day the Sun passed over his 10th in Aries, as did Mercury ... Aries seems to suggest armed conflict and movement ... his own Mars is in Libra in his 4th ... Libra on the 4th sometimes indicates two homes ... Mars there shows conflicts within the home ... he has dynamic one-to-one relationships ... but he is not essentially a fighter, having such strength in Water and Earth ... Cancer is more of a protector and hermit ... but he will protect the people he loves ... Mercury passing over his 10th and in Aries he must have received some kind of news of aggressive action threatening his home and country ... Mars also was running over his Mercury in Gemini ... which doubles the message of aggression ... also Uranus was passing through Leo in his 2nd and Square to his Jupiter ... someone wanted his power and knowledge and wanted to make him into some kind of puppet ruler?? ... however anyway Saturn and the Moon were both passing through Capricorn and his 7th at the time ... he was prepared physically and materially to move to a better position, and had the aid of powerful financial backers ... Venus reached his 11th in Taurus ... powerful friends helping him ... perhaps also this indicates finding a beautiful place among lots of rock and stone?? ... also could show the aid of a woman ... I am sure that there are other things that supplement the exile picture but I think the main thing was the Aries placements of the Sun and Mercury in square to his Sun and rising degree ... Cancer shies away from any kind of conflict in favor of peace... <p align="left">Thank you for this opportunity to see the chart of this honorable man...
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« Reply #12 - on: 03.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Southern Cross
 
<p align="left">With three fairly reliable sources (mother, Mary Craig biography, and Pema Dorjee's letter) roughly coinciding, we would like to step up to the plate and try a rectification. Such calculations require some background in research (ruled by Saturn), and results are subject to refinement and the test of time. We encourage those defending 4:38 AM, 11:45 AM, etc. to present any hard evidence of their own. <p align="left">Data for Dalai Lama, 6 July 1935, 5:10 AM SST (rectified using Koch houses), Takster, Tibet:
  • <p align="left">22Feb40: enthroned with regent. TrUranus exactly quincunx natal Mars. TrSun 2*Pisces ninth-house cusp.
  • <p align="left">07Oct50: Chinese invade Tibet. Saturn-Mercury 25*-26*Virgo on IC.
  • <p align="left">17Nov50(date picked by Tibetan astrologers): enthroned in own right. Moon-Jupiter opposite natal Venus. Mars 8*Cap. semi-sextile eighth-house cusp.
  • <p align="left">Oct-Nov50: Converse MC 10*Pisces conjunct natal Saturn in ninth.
  • <p align="left">17Mar58: oracle says to leave Tibet. Sun 26*Pisces on MC.
  • <p align="left">31Mar59: leaves for India. Pluto 2*Virgo exact third-house cusp.
  • <p align="left">17Jun67: Chinese H-bomb. Pluto 18*Virgo semi-sextile TrMars 18*Libra conjunct natal Mars.
  • <p align="left">05Oct89: Nobel Prize announced: Mercury 26*Virgo on IC.
  • <p align="left">18Apr91: before US Congress. Mars 8*Cancer semi-sextile second-house cusp.
  • <p align="left">09Oct91: address at Yale. Venus 2*Virgo third-house cusp.
  • <p align="left">30Jan95: Chinese campaign attacking. Chiron 26*Virgo on IC.
  • <p align="left">14May95: announces new Panchen Lama. Venus 26*Aries semi-sextile MC.
  • <p align="left">1995: new Panchen Lama disappears into Chinese custody. Converse MC 25*Cap. opposite natal fifth-house ruler Pluto.
  • <p align="left">11Jun 97: explains views on homosexuality in SF. Mars 26*Virgo on IC.
<p align="left">Spiritual Neptune rules both the ninth and MC, and conjunct the caring ruler Moon made the Dalai Lama the Bodhisattva of Compassion. The Sun/Asc.-Jupiter-Saturn grand trine has this Virgo Moon-Neptune at the apex point of a "kite", making him a grounded religious leader. Sun/Asc. trine Jupiter gives infectious enthusiasm. Jupiter also sextiles/ trines the Moon-Neptune opposition to Saturn, and is opposite Uranus trine/sextile the same opposition. This "box" configuration adds to his well-integrated stability. Pluto semi-sextile Gemini Mercury gives intense curiosity, and also relates to his rapid reincarnation and having been figurehead (twelfth-house) ruler at an early age. <p align="left">At 10 PM on Mar. 31, 1959, TrMoon opposed the natal Sun, and Pluto (square Sag. Jupiter-rising on horary chart) transited the natal third-house cusp, making for the dangerous journey to neighboring (third-house) India disguised (Pluto) as a soldier. The TrNorth Node coincided with the 1950 invasion's Sun (see #2 above) at 13*Libra, in semi-sextile with natal fifth-house Jupiter. The Dalai Lama's destiny was to be his initiatives outside Tibet.
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« Reply #13 - on: 03.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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The renowned Dalai Lama would not have been so world famous were it not for his exile. It is, I think most remarkable in his chart with Saturn oppposed to the Neptune-Moon conjunction. This gives the opportunity to develop balance and control of compassion ( in the Earth sign Virgo giving service) and devotion (Saturn in Pisces) to Universal service. The trine from the Sun placed so well on the ascendant and in a Cardinal sign gives great opportunity for expression of authority and control in a gentle and compassionate manner. With the complimentary sextile of the Neptune-Moon conjunction to Jupiter in Scorpio, there is great depth of understanding.  
The Angular and Cardinal Sun would give him his enthusiasm, and trine to Jupiter, all would be made even more expansive and joyful. The Virgo gives an analytical nature, with jupiter enhansing his desire to understand. I have not studied the progressed chart, but the opposition enhances a sense of longing and otherworldliness.
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« Reply #14 - on: 02.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User merlin vobe
 
 1. I suggest: Neptune in 3rd (Mercury ruler, enables him to "see" all planes of existence) in virgo (Mercury) opposite Saturn in Pisces & 9th house (Sagg) => Ritualistic application of inherited spirituality, plus of course sun conj Asc in 1st hse, sxtl Nep which is also sxtl Jup in Scopio 5th hse complimenting Pluto in 1st.  
2. I suggest: Sun Conj Asc in Cancer (ruler) moon in 2nd hse (venus), venus trine uranus in taurus (watches)10th hse (sat), nep in 3rd would enable him to communicate his ideals effectively and conj moon in 2nd hse with emotion or conviction so that one would feel his point of view.  
3. I suggest: @24, mercury all alone in 12th hse in gemini with kiron trine mars in libra in 4th hse & quincunx jupiter in scorpio (secrecy) in 5th hse & square saturn in 9th hse in pisces (restriction), => epic in time short in distance a surreal exile.
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« Reply #15 - on: 02.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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What makes him such a leader for peace and grounded spirituality?  
One way to view any birthchart, is to see it as much a personalized reaction to one's birth circumstances, than merely a predictor of these circumstances. In that vein, the Dali Lama's chart shows a man who is able to react to the world around him with shrewd political skill, and much pragmatism.  
The Dali Lama has been forced to confront the realities of the world around him. Rather than become mired down in the myriad of details that can distract (squares to Chiron), his personal response, to this acquired and somewhat forced awareness of the world around him, has been on three fronts.  
One, the Dali Lama sees himself as a practical man; older than his years (square from Saturn). He accepts the colder realities of life, and faces them with a determination to endure this world thru patience, and many hard lessons.  
Two, the Dali Lama sees himself as a natural nurturer. Though often he fails victim to the demands of his own tender heart, he is also certain that he requires even more affection than his circumstances are often willing to provide (Chiron square from Moon). In response, he is determined to pierce the coldness in others around him, and to shine forth the inner child he is certain lurks within each one of us.  
And three, the Dali Lama sees his spiritual nature as isolated and stunted by the demands of the physical world around him (Chiron square from Neptune). To overcome this feeling of spiritual famine and isolation, he first concentrates upon his own spiritual needs. Then, as a gift, he reveals this persistent personal spirituality to anyone who appears faced with similar struggles against the cold pragmatism of this world, as he did. However, much of his larger spiritual yearnings he keeps to himself, convinced that an overly-materialistic world is too blinded by it own deeds to see even the simpler truths lying just beneath the surface in all things.  
The Dali Lama is not a man who can change his present political circumstances. Instead, he feels he must learn to absorb his fate, and his first priority is a struggle to make certain that his own spiritual needs survive.  
Where does he get his infectious enthusiasm and intense curiosity about the world?  
The Dali Lama infectious enthusiasm is electric and intentionally so. Cancer's are well known for their "loony" laugh, designed to relieve momentary self-consciousness. Yet, much of symbolism in the Dali Lama's actions are forced and somewhat contrived. He desperately wishes to forestall and loss of momentum. Stagnation (Sun square Mars), and he already knows from first hand experience, is the real enemy. The Dali Lama is a master at staking out an issue (Pluto and Sun in Cancer), and then stirring up the passions of others to draw attention to that issue (square from Mars in Libra).  
The Dali Lama's mental enthusiasm is quite genuine, however (Jupiter opposed from Uranus). His tends to be a somewhat confrontational style of thinking and teaching. The conversational flow is intended to challenge the preconceptions of his audience, and not confirm any of them. Truly Socratic!  
What chart indicators do you find for exile from his country on 03/31/1959?  
As for exile, the 03/31/1959 aspects tell the whole story of what has happened to the Dali Lama, starting about that date. But, the major feature of this period of his exile is the resultant wide public notoriety which the Dali Lama's plight has succeeded in generating in the court of public opinion. Four major transiting planets aspect his natal South Node on that day in 1959: Sun, Neptune, Jupiter, and maybe Mars.  
The South Node, besides often indicating the flaw in our personal self-confidence, is also a point of public sympathy, especially from complete strangers. Sadly, all the ruckus stirred over the situation the Dali Lama and the all the people of Tibet have faced for the past 41 years, has generated little else.  
This Dali Lama is not to be the one to bring about any real lasting change for either Tibet nor his own plight.  
Presently he is getting far too much mileage out of being the perpetual victim in exile, a public pity case (natal Sun with natal South Node in Cancer). The Dali Lama is also very shrewd about manipulating the public's opinion to his advantage. He recognizes that empathy for his plight can be his most useful political weapon (South Node conjuncts Pluto).  
When the eventual restoration Tibet takes place, it will be without this Dali Lama. It will also be given to a Tibet very different from the one this Dali Lama had ever known.
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« Reply #16 - on: 02.01.2001 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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<p align="left">Thanks for posting this chart. I'm not certain of the time, but will work with what you've given. The progressions fit fairly well with his chart for his move to India, so perhaps the chart is okay! <p align="left">>>What makes him such a leader for peace and grounded spirituality?<<  Everyone works with what they have. But, to keep this conversation focused on astrology, I would say the placement of the moon in a Cancerian's chart is important, and deserves special attention. It is in easy relationship with the Sun and most other planets, but forms a special and more challenging relationship with the Saturn/Neptune opposition in the mutable signs. This opposition becomes an important reference point for the overall chart. It's close proximity to the Midheaven axis, with all the planets {Saturn/Neptune/Moon} involved having a natural affinity in their placement around this axis, is also fairly revealing. Issues around ones homeland, and the sacrifices necessary to reach ones homeland can be taken to another dimension of not just the physical locale, but the spiritual as well. <p align="left">>>Where does he get his infectious enthusiasm and intense curiosity about the world?<<  I would imagine the magnanimous Jupiter Sun trine{1st and 5th} would throw off a fair amount of infectious enthusiasm, and combined with the Mercury in Gemini, give one an intense curiosity about the many things. <p align="left">>>What chart indicators do you find for exile from his country on 03/31/1959?<<  The Saturn opposite Neptune/Moon would have to be engaged on some level, and in the progressions we find the progressed moon at 27 degree Cancer, highlighting Pluto's association with this aforementioned opposition via semi/sesquisquare. Also at 27 degree of Cancer, is the progressed Ascendant {given the chart is valid}, bringing everything together on the level of secondary progressions. For those not used to working with a 90% wheel, the symmetry all comes together if you look at the hard aspects formed, and their predictability in timing events through the use of secondary progs. To sum up, without going into transits the progs are pMoon/Ascendant at 27Cancer conjunct rPluto, semisquare rNeptune, and sesquisquare rSaturn. Why complicate things with more progs, and especially when we have the benefit of hindsight via history, as opposed to having to actually make a prediction, for 2001, or something more challenging?
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<p align="left">Saturn in (peaceful) Pisces in the house of religion and spirituality (9th) make him an authority in spiritual matters. It also grounds his spirituality: Saturn = Capricorn. Saturn in grand trine to the Sun and Jupiter gives him great leadership ability. <p align="left">It looks like the Sun/Jupiter trine might account for his enthusiasm and curiosity. Also Mercury in Gemini, it's own sign, adds to the curiousness. <p align="left">Maybe that Mars in the 4th house (of home) taking in the square from the North Node and from the Sun has something to do with exile? Something about his karma (North Node) involves aggression and violence (Mars) at home (4th house)?
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<p align="left">The following analysis is based on a recast Placidus house system chart for the Dalai Lama. <p align="left">1.That he is a leader for peace is shown by the Venus singleton (only fire sign planet) at 28 degrees of Leo (leadership) in the 3rd house of communication. Venus conjuncts the Royal Star Regulous and it sextiles Mercury in its own sign, Gemini, in the 12th. Mercury is the final dispositor of the chart, therefore a most powerful indicator of his dharma. He communicates (3rd) peace (Venus) at every opportunity (sextile), speaking and writing articulately (Mercury in Gemini) to the world at large on universal issues (12th house). <p align="left">2. His infection enthusiasm comes from Jupiter as a singleton (only social house energy) in the playful 5th house; Jupiter trines Sun, indicating enthusiasm, faith and teaching talent. It is in a grand water trine with Sun and singleton Saturn in the 9th house. The intense curiosity about the world would come from Mercury semisextile Pluto - curiosity (Merc) about the whole world or the universe at large (12th) is an intense (Pluto) personal matter (1st). <p align="left">3. The potential for exile is suggested in the natal chart by the Pisces Saturn singleton (only planet in a universal sign) in the 9th house of foreigners and foreign lands opposing his natal Moon. It was foreigners and foreign ideology (Chinese communists) that forced him to move to India, a foreign country. On 3/31/59 transiting Moon/Saturn in Capricorn made a trine to natal Moon/Neptune. It was time to leave home to do his life's work. Mars transiting the 12th neared an exact conjunction to natal Mercury; he had to act (Mars) to fulfill his destiny as world teacher. Mars was out-of-bounds at 25 degrees N 07 minutes, indicating unusual aggression was forcing change. Transiting Venus in Taurus was opposing natal Scorpio Jupiter while transiting Uranus in Leo was making the focal point of a T-cross, squaring transiting Venus and natal Jupiter. The outlet of the T-cross was in the 8th house of psychological death and rebirth, or spiritual regeneration. Transiting Neptune was 6 degrees away from a conjunction to natal Jupiter (amplifying the spiritual nature), and part of the T-cross. Transiting Sun/Mercury in Aries in the 10th house of destiny and "calling" was squaring natal Sun. The circumstances were a personal crisis brought on by outside aggression. Transiting Sun/Mercury in Aries made a Yod, "finger of fate," configuration with natal Moon/Neptune sextile natal Jupiter -- fate dictated it was time to begin his real career. Transiting Venus in Taurus trined the Moon/Neptune, sextiled Sun and Saturn, easing the transition to life in new circumstances. Transiting Jupiter in Sagittarius was near the cusp of the 6th house: a big, new teaching job. Exile was necessary for him to be able to have the "big canvas" on which to do his Life Work.
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<p align="left">Double Cancer plus Pluto in the first creates dynamic personal power. We are really getting far behind by not putting Earth in our charts and delineating. This is the advantage of the Heliocentric chart. My earth falls in the 12th house which makes me close to the collective. His Earth in the sixth is the ultimate service location. <p align="left">Charisma and knowledge produces followers. This is true of cults and great men like this one. What he does is the most important, not who he is.
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