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« on: 06.01.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »  
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John Lennon, born 9 October 1940 at 6:30 PM in Liverpool
 
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The man who wrote "Give Peace a Chance" has been canonized by popular opinion. Twenty-five years after his death, his popularity as a talented songwriter, as a founding member of the eternally-young Beatles, and as an icon of the hippie generation remains strong. His impact on popular music cannot be overstated. Let's study his chart and see if we can find the astrological indicators for his talent, fame, fortune, and his tragic end.
  • Where in the chart do you see his musical talent and his rise to fame? Where is the songwriter who wrote the idealistic "Imagine" and "Give Peace a Chance" as well as deeper, more complicated pieces. What are the indicators that he would earn a place as a significant talent and influence in the annals of musical history?
  • Lennon was married twice; his second wife Yoko Ono arguably propelled him into a new stratosphere of musical experimentation. What can we learn from his chart about the quality of their relationship and her role in his influence on music?
  • Lennon's life was pockmarked by his use of illegal, mind-altering drugs. What in the chart might indicate an attraction to drugs and his motivation for using them?
  • Lennon's death was sudden and tragic, gunned down by a deranged fan who, just hours earlier, had requested his autograph. What are the astrological indicators that he would die young and at the hands of another?
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« Reply #1 - on: 07.01.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »  
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<b>1.)</b> " Where in the chart do you see his musical talent and his rise to fame? Where is the songwriter who wrote the idealistic "Imagine" and "Give Peace a Chance" as well as deeper, more complicated pieces? What are the indicators that he would earn a place as a significant talent and influence in the annals of musical history?"
His Aquarian 10th house Moon as his most elevated planet show his rise to fame and how he spoke for his generation (a trait shared with Kurt Cobain). His fierce idealism shows in the Mars/Neptune conjunction that is also trine Uranus. His potential for greatness shows in a couple of places. He has a grand conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn (the conjunction of Kings) and Saturn also rules his Midheaven and disposits his 10th house Moon with Uranus.
That the Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus stellium is in Taurus contributes to his art (Venus) taking form and bearing material results and rewards. His Venus makes no Ptolemaic aspects and its only aspects are a semisqure to his Sun and a quincunx to his Moon. That 5th house unaspected Venus gives clues to many of his issues as well as his genius. That is desposits the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction says much about his creativity as well as his place in history as a king of rock & roll royalty.
One other thing; his Sun is in quincunx to that Jupiter/Saturn as well indicating the potential for greatness through a very unique and powerful individual statement.
<b>2.)</b> " Lennon was married twice; his second wife Yoko Ono arguably propelled him into a new stratosphere of musical experimentation. What can we learn from his chart about the quality of their relationship and her role in his influence on music? "
Lennon has an unaspected Libra Sun in its detriment, and it is his most angular planet. Also it is desposited by that unaspected Venus. This indicates that the strong urge of the Sun to individuate was very difficult for him. Being a Libra Sun conjunct the 7th house angle shows that he needed an "other" to anchor his Self (Sun) to. It shows the power of his relationship to Yoko as well as how important his relationship with Paul McCartney must have really been. I guess you could say they were the two loves of his life.
<b>3.)</b> " Lennon's life was pockmarked by his use of illegal, mind-altering drugs. What in the chart might indicate an attraction to drugs and his motivation for using them? "
The ruler of his Aries Ascendant is Mars and it is in a difficult out of sign conjunction with Neptune (in detriment in Virgo). Mars is also in its detriment in Libra and Venus, (the dispositor of both his Mars and his Sun) is in its fall. Mars is in the sixth house of health and it also rules the 8th house. Both 6th and the 8th house rule ones moods. Neptune is the ruler of the 12th house (the other house in the health/illness axis)
When you put all of this together you get a picture of one who probably suffered from depression and used drugs (Neptune) to self medicate. One of the challenges of the grand conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn is that it can lock one into an expansion/contraction loop; Jupiter ever expanding and Saturn always restricting. This along with the Mars/Neptune conjunction show a chart marked with ambivalence as a central theme; perhaps even anxiety.
<b>4.)</b> " What are the astrological indicators that he would die young and at the hands of another?"
I am not sure if as astrologers we can, or even should talk about death as a certainty in a chart. However the Moon/Mercury/Pluto T-Square is a very dominating significator in this chart and it may give clues to his mothers death (Moon/Pluto) as well as death itself (Pluto) coming from the other (opposition to the Moon). The Moon rules the 4th house (the end of things) and Pluto is in that house as well.  
Mercury squares both the Moon and Pluto and it is in the 7th house of the other as well as ruling the 3rd (the house of short journeys and he was killed after a short taxi ride home) and the 6th house of health. The Moon in the tenth in this T-Square possibly shows that the "death" would also be famous, notorious or seen by all.
Moon/Mars and Mars/Pluto are two of his most potent midpoints and Mars/Pluto=Venus is his strongest midpoint picture. This reinforces the theme of violent (Mars) death (Pluto) that would mark his art (Venus) and his myth.
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« Reply #2 - on: 07.01.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »  
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I contacted Oxford Maternity Hospital as part of my research for my book on John Lennon - John Lennon's Secret - and was given 18.30. The other times you quote were more in evidence when I wrote the book than they are now.
The opposition of the Moon to Pluto conjunct Chiron does seem to be crucial in his chart.  
Using the Placidus house system this places the planets in the 5th (creativity) and 11th houses (ideals), which would explain the revolutionary idealism and drive, although it is mostly in the arts that the revolution actually occurs, he did of course flirt with the revolutionary atmosphere of the times, but eventually gave up 'trying to get Jerry Rubin a job'.
You will see from my own chart interpretation on my site www.kozmikhoroscopes.com/lennon.htm that the vertex appears to be closely linked to the manner of death, it is placed in the 6th house of the workplace where it is challenged by Mars (violent death), he was killed while returning from the recording studio.
Pluto challenging the moon (mother and fame) also has links to the death of both himself and his mother in sudden and drastic ways.
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Those astrological indications that suggest artistry and music are well documented (such as Venus trine MC), but my own research shows that those who play stringed instruments particularly (more often than not) have prominent Mars/Neptune connections. The cluster of Sun/Node/Mars/Neptune is a guitar band, The Beatles. The cluster Uranus/Jupiter/Saturn also suggests group work, tension, and separation. It is the clash of ideologies.
Those who show literary tendencies particularly tend to have prominent Mercury/Jupiter, Mercury/Pluto, or Mercury/Uranus connections. Mercury/Uranus is quite original and frequently strange. The Grand Cross with Mercury square Pluto and oppose both Jupiter and Uranus covers this topic.
Lennon was abandoned by both his father and his mother and his mother died tragically and prematurely. Moon oppose Pluto symbolizes the emotional turmoil he would deal with.
In my opinion, Mars/Neptune aspects and midpoints are the most likely to indicate an addictive personality.
Mars square MC suggests an agressive and pugancious activist. With Moon trine Mars, he was quite opinionated and domineering.
The chart reminds us that no matter how much art Lennon contributed and no matter how much he was idolized, he spent much of his life misbehaving. Sun/Node/Mars/Neptune suggests that he was confused and misguided. He would have fits of irritability and cruelty. We tend to be lenient with talented artists, but the birthchart is not.
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Looking at John Lennons chart, Fame or rise to public life to me is indicated by the Moon in the 10th house, the fortune is indicated by the fixed t-square with the Moon in the 10th in Aquarius, Mercury in the 7th, and Pluto in the 4th...a very deternied individual, who according to the Jupiter/Saturun conjunction in Taurus, had alot to teach the world and probably was a very old soul.
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1. Libra Sun ruled by Venus in Virgo in the 5th house, aspecting Sun/Moon denotes artistic talent. Neptune conjunct Mars (ruler of Asc) refines and mystifies Mars (rhythm and aggression), elevating his musical reach to idealistic planes (Give Peace a Chance). Saturn, Jupiter and Uranus influencing the 2nd house and Mercury bestows great intelligence and creativity. His rise to fame is clear: Capricorn rules the MC, ruler Saturn with Jupiter (constancy in luck) and Uranus (sudden breakthrough). The stellium widely opposes Mercury, which squares the 10th house Moon in Aquarius (fickle public: people either love John's radicalism or hate it) and Pluto/Chiron, constitutes enormous conflict and power surrounding his public image. All of these combined suggest a unique career path, with many ups and downs, a feeling of being misunderstood, being an outsider, ahead of his time.
2. Venus in Virgo and Moon in Aquarius constellate the feminine aspects of his psyche. Yoko was an artist (Venus in the 5th) and has, I believe, a stellium in Virgo; she was also considered a maverick, "weird" by the American public (Moon in Aquarius). Her open radicalism and independence would have been a magnet for John. Her Virgo planets falling in his 5th house denote instant attraction and the stimulation of his creative side.
3. Mars/Neptune ruling the Ascendant from the 6th house suggests a potential problem with mind-altering substances. Pisces on the cusp of his 12th house also suggests that John's longing for transcendance was profound but also meandering, i.e., he would experiment with different spiritual paths, and drugs. John used to drugs not just to get high: he was seeking contact with divine forces.
4. Mars/Neptune ruling the Ascendant and co-ruling the 8th house of death from the 6th house of health; Mercury in T square with potential viotile Aquarius Moon in the 10th (ruling the 4th) and Pluto/Chiron in the 4th (end of life), all point to a possible sudden demise, a life cut short. Mercury in the 7th is the focal point of Pluto/Chiron and the Moon: this denotes potential enemies who are obsessed with both attaining power/fame and with an inner wound.
On the evening of his death, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto were in Libra and Moon/Mars were in Capricorn, approaching his MC. T. Uranus was in Scorpio in his 8th house, opposite his Uranus. John was undergoing tremendous inner changes, a creative rebirth. Had he lived he would no doubt have revolutionized his professional public image once again.
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Vedic houses and lunar mansions
Lennon's chart is one of the most fascinating both complex and yet very simple from a VEdic perspective.
Again, there is a newsmaker with Mars near the NN or Rahu. In this case, Neptune, Mars Rahu and the Sun are all in the house of partnerships. His work gained recognition first as leader of a band or partnership and later from his marriage to Yoko.  
If the NN is in the 7th, the SN or Ketu is in the 1st. In this case the ASC and Ketu fall in a lunar mansion that is know for heightened spiritual awareness and seeking. It deals with tolerance and love. That was part of why he was here and what he came to be known for.  
This links the nodes with the ASC and 4 planets if you include the Moon. He was driven by his own drive and by destiny.
The nodes are often associated with addiction in Vedic astrology, but I don't see this as the chart of an addict as much as a spiritual seeker. His travels to India, the work with his guru and ultimately bringing meditation to the popular culture of the west. If memory serves me it was TM that he and the Beathles helps to poluarize.
Then there was Timothy Leary and the used of psychedelics for fun and consciousness expansion.
This is also shown by that powerful Jupiter SAturn union in the 2nd house. This house in VEdic deals with your money as in western, but it is also your words, written and spoken and naturally sung.  
This tight union falls in a lunar mansion that deals with life and death. The deity that governs it is Yama, the first mortal and so the first to face death. For Yama's courage he was immortalized. Jupiter rules Lennon's 10th house and the 1st house: He was his career and his words and music were intimately a part of him and his purpose.
Jupiter sits with Saturn the ruler of the 11th which is great for financial success, but it also governs groups of people. Lennon came to speak for a group and still is the figurehead for that time. Saturn also rules the 12th house which rules foreigners and foreign lands. His great success came in a foreign land, but he also traveled to India to seek insight from a foreign guru.
In Vedic astrology, Lennon entered his Jupiter master period in 1975 and was still in it at his death. Sometimes the lunar mansions are too literal.
His journey to death left a powerful impact on many people and many are still hoping to Give Peace a Chance.
Notice that Venus. It falls near the fixed star Regulus: the star of kings. In this system, Venus rules the house of creativity and courage [isn't it interesting how they link these two]. Venus also rules the 8th house, an enlightenment house which deals with the continuum of life and death in Vedic astrology, not merely death.
This placement shows that he would become even greater upon his death and known for his courageous creativity.
I don't believe Lennon would have been as successful without partners.
When looking at this type of death, I think it is more important to look at the chart of the killer. While I would love to be able to accurately predict and then avert a violent death with astrology, I've looked at enough charts to know that the madness is more obvious in the chart of the killer than the victim.
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« Reply #7 - on: 07.01.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »  
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Based on the navamsa chart it's very likely that 6:30 p.m. is a bit later than John Lennon was actually born. 6:30 puts Ketu in the 10th and Rahu in the 4th. Ketu either diminishes or stands for a spiritual life style such as life in a monastary. No other planets are angular. This isn't the picture of a man who's influence continues to extend 'round the world.
If the time is moved back to 6:24, both Neptune and Uranus are in the first (sign), the Sun (recognition) is in the 7th, and the Moon is in the 4th opposed by Saturn, Jupiter and Pluto in Libra (Venus sign, music and the arts) in the 10th. 6:24 may not be the exact time, but it's within range of approximately 10 minutes to make all these planets angular.
6:24 also moves the natal sun above the horizon. It's very doubtful that someone of John Lennon's stature has the Sun just below the 7th cusp. Checking the angles against events will zero in on the rising degree (either tropical or sidereal).
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Where in the chart do you see his musical talent and his rise to fame? Where is the songwriter who wrote the idealistic "Imagine" and "Give Peace a Chance" as well as deeper, more complicated pieces. What are the indicators that he would earn a place as a significant talent and influence in the annals of musical history? <<
depending on whether one sees a grand square, or just a t square in lennons chart, one is drawn to the sun at the 7th house cusp as a release point for the quintile to his pluto in leo, and tredecile (sesquiquintile) to his moon in aquarius, indicating some special talent to express oneself creatively... the aquarius moon is the handle to his bucket chart in his natal 10th and solar 5th emphasizing some of the idealism associated with aquarius and in songs like 'imagine' and 'give peace a chance'.. it also explains in part his fame, popularity and attunement to his generation as a voice for the values and ideals of the peace generation of hippies and etc... venus in the 5th is making a waxing sesquisquare-the strongest aspect to his ascendant, denoting someone involved in the arts.. venus is also directly at the midpoint of ascendant/sun- sun making the next strongest aspect{ in terms of tightness or orb} to his ascendant, and the only angular planet. all in all, this puts great emphasis on the sun and venus as vehicles for self expression of an artistic nature explaining his musical talent very well astrologically..
>>Lennon was married twice; his second wife Yoko Ono arguably propelled him into a new stratosphere of musical experimentation. What can we learn from his chart about the quality of their relationship and her role in his influence on music? << the libra sun and aquarian moon plays an important role in that his marriage to yoko an aquarius hieghtened this movement towards more experimentation and more unorthodox values{aqaurius}- free love, bohemianism and etc much of it being channeled through his music and lifestyle. that would also be expressed through his 5th house venus as well... worth mentioning is the closest aspect in his chart is the quincunx from moon to venus, so once again the role and importance of his wife needs to be emphasized.. i would imagine her influence was quite significant and that he would have defered to her on many important levels..  
>>Lennon's life was pockmarked by his use of illegal, mind-altering drugs. What in the chart might indicate an attraction to drugs and his motivation for using them? << most musicians get involved with drugs.. they don't have to but it is common.. sometimes drugs open up ones imagination more than otherwise! i would assume the mars/neptune conjunction combined with the experimentation of his aquarian moon- handle of his bucket chart, opened him up to this.. possibly yoko's involvement in drugs was a factor... i've not read much about either of them, so don't know there story...
>>Lennon's death was sudden and tragic, gunned down by a deranged fan who, just hours earlier, had requested his autograph. What are the astrological indicators that he would die young and at the hands of another?<<
without actually having his time of death, i'm not in a position to look at the progessions to his chart, but mercury in scorpio in the vicinity of his 8th house- dpending on how one views house systems}, 8th sign to his ascendant, and opposing the saturn/jupiter in taurus in his solar 8th would probably be active at his time of death.. mercury also squares pluto the ruler of the 8th suggesting the possibility of murder..  
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Another point for an earlier time of birth is that Jupiter rules the natal (Vedic) 10th. In India Jupiter is said to rule the voice and speech. An earlier time (6:24 or earlier) places Jupiter closer to the 2nd cusp (about two degrees from the cusp), house of speech and monetary resources.  
Since John Lennon was famous for his music and was part of the ever popular Beatles singing group, this fits what we know of his life. (Equal house cusps used as per Systems Approach of V.K. Choudhry)
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I never got the sense that John Lennon was a happy or even content man, and while his musical influence was immense he never really achieved peace in his personal life, except perhaps in the last few years of his life. I think this is well shown by Mercury Scorpio in major affliction to the powerful Jupiter/ Saturn conjunction, itself a depressive conjunction, and square Pluto and Moon.
Lennon never fit in; he was always the rebel and the loner from an early age, and deliberately so, possibly in an attempt to protect his immense sensitivity, well shown by Mars/Neptune trine Moon and Moon square Mercury. He was most certainly unlikely to succeed in any conventional occupation and he loathed anything that was conformist in any way. If everyone in the 50's had suddenly started dressing like Teddy Boys Lennon would have shown up in a three-piece suit.
I grew up in London in the 60's in an "arty" part of town (Wimbledon) and knew several musicians and others who had met Lennon - he lived in a rich suburb in South West London at the time. No one really had anything good to say about him as a man - he was considered boorish, rude, egocentric, foul-mouthed and generally an unpleasant character. One young woman I knew told me she was sitting in a hotel foyer in London and Lennon was sitting there also. He turned and said to her, "So, do you f**k?" She said, "No" and he replied, "Well, f**k off then!" I suppose that is a seriously afflicted Mercury in Scorpio talking, especially with Pluto as one of the afflicting planets. Presumably he mellowed with age - certainly his image mellowed with age - but he was not the man of peace in his private life that the media projected.
It's interesting that the Sun makes no aspect except conjunction to the North Node. Sun's ruler Venus is also debilitated in Virgo and receives only a wide square from Uranus, which just confirms the wildness of the rest of the chart. A weak Sun and Venus, along with the Mercury/Jupiter/Saturn aspect, indicating severe depression, would account for his multi-year binge on alcohol and drugs. Mars conjunction Neptune didn't help, but his drinking and drug-taking did not seem to interfere with his creative output. However, Sun conjunct North Node is surely very favorable for anything to do with self-promotion and generally increases popularity. Someone already pointed out Lennon's need for others through Sun in 7th in Libra, and no doubt the partnership with McCartney inspired him tremendously. The source of his genius is in part Mars/Neptune trine Moon, Jupiter/Saturn conjunction the fixed star Almach and Sun on cusp 7th. I expect the Moon quincunx Venus and the terribly afflicted Mercury gave him the painful isolating experiences that help fuel his artistic fire.
To his credit Lennon saw through all the phoniness of the entertainment business and the hypocrisy of the world in general and said what he thought, like it or lump it. The "Beatles more popular than Jesus" remark is a direct result of Mercury Scorpio opposition Jupiter/Saturn. He was a deep idealist all his life - ADB did not mention that the reason he sent back his MBE was to protest England's involvement in the Vietnam War. In sum, Lennon's chart shows a deeply flawed man, not an especially "nice" man, but a fascinating personality nevertheless.
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Dear Wayne Penner In Vedic astrology there are some interesting little nuggets that can be used in tropical astrology as well. One is a simple statement that when the Moon is alone the child was not nurtured. I would say that after talking to many people with a lonely Moon, that they often feel separate or different from others. Don't feel like there is anyone they can lean on and have to stand alone. It's hard to describe, but an isolated Moon doesn't ask for help often and doesn't really believe that anyone would answer so he is more self contained.  
No I'm not blaming the parents, I think it is innate. Parents of the child often say: I try to help him and he's not interested.
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The unaspected Sun, the uncomfortable Venus in partile quincunx to elevated Moon, and the trapped Mercury are prominent in Lennon's chart. Venus is so strong and is final dispositor, while being disposited by Mercury which seems to be held by the winged foot-- alive, venomnous, and kicking-- by the partile and Rx Saturn and Jupiter, which conspire with Chiron-Pluto. Yet all this energy comes together in the power of his words that continue to deliver a potent message.
There is no dignity to this chart--his only out was the unconventional.
On the date of his assassination, at 40 years old, there was some recapitulation of the natal Mercury square Pluto, and his progressions were active. The natal Mercury had a partile progressed opposition from Jupiter; progressed Mercury was Rx and sextile to transiting Mars, and moving toward natal and progressed Pluto. And as if conspiring, transiting Pluto was hovering at progressed Venus. The theme of abduction played out, as anyone alive at the time who knew Lennon's music and what he was all about felt he was abducted, snatched away, "taken" to some underworld that made no sense.  
In addition, progressed Moon, close to the IC, was opposed by transiting Mars-Moon; progressed Ascendant was opposed by transiting Neptune; progressed Sun was opposed to natal Uranus, and aligned with transiting Uranus.
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PREAMBLE: I steadfastly maintain that you are using incorrect data for John Lennon. My late wife Georgie Borkowski, who was also an astrologer, met John in the late 1960's when she had an affair with George Harrison. John gave her the data that he used for himself--October 9, 1940 at 7:14 a.m. in Manchester, England--not Liverpool. Later, when I shared this data with astrologer-musician Basil Fearrington, Basil told me that John gave him the time of 7:10-7:20 a.m., and so Basil split the difference to 7:15 a.m. to use in his practice. Using the date that John's mother was killed in a hit-and-run auto-pedestrian accident, July 15, 1958 at 9:40 pm GMD in Liverpool, I was able to rectify the time to 7:18 a.m. This data is corroborated by both solar arc and solar return activity. The most significant solar arc was SA Neptune = Asc. The solar return had the Node conjunct the ascendant by minutes!
1) John's Venus is peregrine--not in major aspect to any planet. Consequently it "ran away" with the horoscope. Venus rules John's ascendant, disposes of two Libra and three Taurus planets, rules relationships in general and rules music and peace in particular. You can't get more succinct than that! Fame and prominence are shown by the midpointology: Pluto = Uranus/Asc., Venus = Sun / MC and Venus = Asc./MC Furthermore, Venus makes semi-squares to both the Sun and the MC.
2) Yoko Ono's influence on John must be judged by a horoscopic comparion. John's chart alone can't show it. Astrology cannot supply names nor phone humbers. John's chart does not really suit being happily married for any duration, despite being a double Libra. Mars rules his 7th house, is in its detriment in Libra and is in the 12th house.
3) On the negative side, Venus can be very self-indulgent and hedonistic. This is just another manifestation of a Venus that is weak by sign running away with the horoscope. Note also the Earth Grand Trine and its practical self-sufficiency. The EGT consists of Moon, Uranus and Neptune.
4) John was first exposed to astrology in the fatalistic, pre-psychological days of the 1960's when the Beatles were experimenting with everything metaphysical. He knew his own chart and correctly interpreted that Taurean stellium of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus in the 8th house to mean that he would be killed in a public place. This interpretation was John's motivation for dropping out of society for 5 years following the birth of his second son, Sean.
SUMMARY: I apologize for contradicting the conventional wisdom. But please, let's give another opinion a chance.
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It's great to have John Lennon's correct birth data after all these years. It sounds like the sources of information are infallible! I never have been sure of Mr. Lennon's birth data. All I've had for him are tentative and hand-drawn charts. So now I finally have a wheel for Beatle John! Well, done, astrodatabank!
I tend to focus on the triangulation of mercury, jupiter, and saturn, as well as the retrograde planets. The first thing I see in this chart is Saturn and Jupiter, both retrograde, conjunct in Taurus in the first house. This tells us about his struggle with selfish greed and over-indulgence. Saturn retrograde made him feel deprived of security, even though he was the most affluent of the four young beatles. Saturn retrograde also indicates discipline problems during the early years of life, which can affect a person throughout adulthood. He suffered emotional neglect, yet he was also more than a little spoiled. It's as if he were given an overload of material security in order to compensate for his inner sense of bitter loss and emptiness. His obsession with wealth and achievement during the Beatles years became utterly meaningless to him as he grew into a mature adult. His mercury is directly opposing the saturn-jupiter conjunction, causing conflict and self-denial between his creative mental outlook and his self-cultivated image of wealth and star-status. I see that retrograde saturn-jupiter as a sort of "bottomless pit" in his karma. No matter how much he built up his image as the rich powerful mega-star, nothing was ever enough to keep him from feeling empty within. And he certainly did try just about EVERYTHING to fill up that inner void! However, the negative pull of saturn-jupiter conjunct and retrograde stayed with him to the very end as he died a poor man's ghetto-style death on the street. Nothing his mind could construct was enough to balance out that life-long scar of negative karma. URANUS also in Taurus, although placed in the second house several degrees apart from saturn-jupiter, is also retrograde, indicating extreme rebellion from the life he had worked so hard to build for himself. The retrograde condition tells us that he was carrying a lot of karmic baggage from the past. He was erratic and undependable, and negligent in supporting his first son, Julian. Poor Cynthia was working as a waitress, struggling to raise little Julian, while John wasted piles of money on flaky artistic projects with Yoko. He felt justified in this by the fact that he simply did not LOVE Cynthia the way he adored Yoko. Somehow, he never grasped the idea that his son suffered as a result of his selfishness.  
Whew! I'm running out of time and energy! Of course, I'm scrutinizing only the most negative aspects of John Lennon's karma. I think when we look at his chart we're reminded he was sometimes a real bastard--and he was haunted by his own dark shadow to the very end of his life.
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Don Borkowski thanks for the comments around the question of an accurate birthtime... after i posted my comments i went and read the bio which included the source for the time... it seems it's not necessarily accurate..
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Not unusual for a brilliant artist, a committed activist, a charismatic, even beloved, public figure, etc., and as Wright put it..to.be a bastard at home. Another idol with feet of clay.
Does anyone have data for his son Julian? The man that murdered him?  
Given the times and the culture of the music world, if a rocker DIDN'T do dope, it might be worth mentioning and exploring!
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Julian Lennon's birthdate is: Apr 8 1963 7:45 am Liverpool England with a B Rodden Rating.
Mark David Chapman's birthdate is: May 10 1955 7:30 pm Fort Worth Texas with an AA Rodden Rating.
It is interesting to note that Julian was not close to his father. I saw a film called "Dad & Me" (I think) and it was a series of interviews with fathers and sons. Julian seemed very bitter about his father and said that though his father could write about peace and love he didn't actually live it so well.
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reply by Astrodatabank Web User cynthia novak
 
YEs, thank you Don for the time information. I reran the chart and see the stellium in the 7th (Vedic) becomes a stellium in the 1st with the 7:18am time. Still the 1st 7th axis, only now more emphasis on the needs of the 1st, self and less on those of the 7th partners.
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