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Astro-Databank: Cesar Chavez
« on: 07.04.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Cesar Chavez, born 31 March 1927 at 3:00 PM in Yuma AZ
 
This discussion is imported from the  comment board on the  previous astrodatabank.com website.

Does this man have a strong Saturn? You bet he does. It is the handle of the bucket and angular.  
Now you find:
  • Why was he such a powerful organizer?
  • Where does his spiritual strength come from?
  • Where is his commitment to justice for the common man?
 
I apologize if all this is a bit obvious in the chart. Like Ralph Nader, this is a public figure who used everything in his chart to the utmost. I guess it takes that if you are going to change the way a society works.
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« Reply #1 - on: 07.04.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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You've just raised a philosophical point. Just a question back. Doesn't a postman with lost of planets in Gemini or the 3rd use his chart fully and still be normal?
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« Reply #2 - on: 07.04.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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>I was speaking about statistical normalcy  >i.e. the center of the bell curve. Here is the  >hypothesis inside the statement: If one's outer life  >more perfectly mirrors the inner dynamics of your chart  >you are more likely to become a public figure.  >For example a Leo will have more success in a job  >that gives praise and attention than a backroom  >accounting position that might make a Virgo shine.  >Also, if you actualize your squares and oppositions  >you will have lots more energy available to you  >than someone who gets stuck in them and thus  >you will more likely become a public person.  >Most people (center of the bell curve), are not  >actualizing their full potential so their chart dynamics  >are buried treasure.  
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« Reply #3 - on: 07.04.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Chavez's power as an organizer is shown by Pluto square his Aries Sun. This shows Chavez's great personal power, especially the power to lead, to be number one, though his power may be suppressed, especially early in life, and looking for a way to be expressed safely. The suppression is probably directly related to the Saturn retrograde phenomenon, which suggests that the father figure failed to give him the guidance of authoritative love, leaving him with a legacy of inferiority feelings (confirmed by the 11th house Pluto, the ruler of the 11th square Mars, etc.).  
Moon conjunct Jupiter conjunct Mercury, all in Pisces is a huge dose of spiritual strength, showing an overriding need to identify with the ideal, to sacrifice, all of which is constantly in his thinking. The square from Mars adds to the intensity of this grouping.  
Uranus peregrine directly on the Aries Point suggests that social consciousness, rejection of the status quo will be a significant part of his personality and will be prominently displayed to others. Uranus rules the 6th, such that concerns about workaday issues will be pervasive. When all of this is blended with the strong Pisces emphasis, justice for the common man is clearly indicated.  
These themes are all reflected as well in the Western Hemisphere emphasis (Neptune's retrogradation pointing to the West), indicating that he tended to give himself away to others, putting their needs before his own.
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« Reply #4 - on: 07.04.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Chavez was an excellent organizer due to his Virgo rising and also that the ruler of his third house, or how how we process information, is Mars in Gemini, the sign of info, in the tenth. Gemini rules his MC, and his Mercury is angular. The ruler of the sixth, or how we use information, is ruled by Uranus which sextiles his MC and is co-ruled by that powerhouse Saturn.  
His strong spirituality came through his mother with the angular Pisces Moon conjunct Jupiter in dignity. The ruler of his seventh, or "others," is in the 12th house of "the all." The ruler of his 12th is exalted in the 8th house of merging with others.  
His dedication to the common people is illustrated through his North Node in Cancer conjunct his eleventh house of the community at large. It was his destiny to take care of others, a vocation he undertook with the utmost dedication.
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« Reply #5 - on: 12.12.2003 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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1. A Virgoan Asc. will project the will to organize and practically evaluate a situation as well as a strong sense of service. The strong placement of Saturn supports the Sun's utilization of others' resources (8th) through a trine. 2. Venus is strongly placed in Chavez's 9th house of spirtuality, in its own sign of Taurus. Venus is also sextile Pluto, representing power in its essence in the 11th,(society). So Chavez's spirtual strength was well understood as it was represented in society.
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« Reply #6 - on: 31.10.2007 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
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Cesar rocks!!
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« Reply #7 - on: 31.03.2008 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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I looked at the golden section aspects and geocentric planetary node aspects used by Dr. Theodor Landscheidt  
http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm
 César Estrada Chávez (March 31, 1927 - April 23, 1993) was an American farm worker of Mexican descent, labor leader, and civil rights activist who with Dolores Huerta co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, which later became the United Farm Workers.[1] Supporters say his work led to numerous improvements for union laborers. He is considered a hero for farm laborers, and opposed both legal and illegal immigration to help keep wages higher and improve work safety rules. He is hailed as one of the greatest American civil rights leaders. His birthday has become a holiday in eight U.S. states. Many parks, cultural centers, libraries, schools, and streets have been named in his honor in cities across the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Ch%C3%A1vez
 Cesar Chavez - Natal Chart Mar 31 1927, 3:10 pm, PST +8:00 Yuma Arizona 32°N43'31'' 114°W37'25'' Geocentric Tropical Zodiac Whole Signs Houses, True Node
 Eris in 0'50 Aries Uranus in 0'00 Aries Sun/Moon in 1'30 Aries
GOLDEN SECTION ASPECTS  
1 +21°15' 2 +42°29' 3 +47°30' 4 +68°45' 5 +111°15' 6 +132°29' 7 +137°30' 8 +158°45' A +34°22' B +55°37' C +124°22' D +145°37' a +132°30' b +85°00' c +132°30' d +137°30' e +68°48' f +47°30' g +34°24'  
Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 1°00'
Mon 5 Plu 0°14' S - emotions,feelings,nurturing and intensity,transformation,power in connection
Mer B Ven 0°21' S - communications,thinking,intellect and aesthetics,values,charm in connection
Mer 8 Nep 0°47' A - communications,thinking,intellect and inspiration,idealism,imagination in connection
Sun D Asc 0°18' A - self expression,ego,vitality and persona,relations,environment in connection
Mon 3 Ven 0°39' A - emotions,feelings,nurturing and values,aesthetics,charm in connection
PLANETARY NODES
 Aspect Set: Ptolemaic Aspects Only Orb: 2 degrees.......no more than 10 minutes over is allowed
 Mer Ascending Node Sxt Mar 1°50' (S) - communications,thinking,intellect and passion,assertion,energy working together Mer Descending Node Cnj Jup 0°03' (S) - communications,thinking,intellect and expansion,optimism,judgment in fusion
Ven Ascending Node Tri Asc 1°35' (A) - aesthetics,values,charm and persona,relations,environment in harmony
 Mar Ascending Node Tri Asc 2°05' (S) - passionate,assertion,energy and persona,relations,environment in harmony  
Mar Descending Node Sqr Ura 1°56' (S) - passion,assertion,energy and change,liberation,uniqueness in friction
Jup Ascending Node Sqr Ura 1°12' (S) - expansion,optimism,judgment and change,liberation,uniqueness in friction
Sat Ascending Node Tri Mer 1°45' (A) - structure,seriousness,grounding and communications,thinking,intellect in harmony Tri Jup 0°24' (S) - structure,seriousness,grounding and expansion,optimism,judgment in harmony
Sat Descending Node Sxt Ura 1°34' (S) - structure,seriousness,grounding and change,liberation,uniqueness working together
Ura Ascending Node Sxt Sun 0°47' (A) - liberating,change,uniqueness and self expression,ego,vitality working together  
Ura Descending Node Sqr Mer 1°24' (A) - liberating,change,uniqueness and communications,thinking,intellect in conflict Sqr Jup 0°45' (S) - liberating,change,uniqueness and expansion,optimism,judgment in friction
Nep Ascending Node Tri Sun 0°55' (S) - inspiration,idealism,imagination and self expression,ego,vitality in harmony Sqr Ven 1°37' (S) - inspiratiol,idealism,imagination and affections,values,charm in friction Tri Sat 1°48' (S) - inspiration,idealism,imagination and structure,seriousness,grounding in harmony
Nep Descending Node Sqr Ven 1°37' (A) - inspiration,idealism,imagination and affections,values,charm in friction
Plu Ascending Node Tri Jup 0°48' (A) - intensity,transformation,imagination and expansion,optimism,judgment in harmony
Plu Descending Node Sxt Mon 1°47' (S) - intensity,transformation,imagination and feelings,emotions,nurturing working together
Eri Ascending Node Tri Asc 0°51' (S) - divergence,diversity,advocacy and persona,relations,environment in harmony
Eri Descending Node Sxt Asc 0°02' (A) - divergence,diversity,advocacy and persona,relations,environment in harmony
Raymond Andrews
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waz up poepple ok bey bey
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« Reply #9 - on: 23.09.2009 at 14:08 [UT+1] »
 
Quote from Astro-Databank on 07.04.2000 at 13:30 [UT+1]:
Where does his spiritual strength come from?.

Where I see spiritual strength is in his powerful Vesta in its natural sign of Scorpio, which gives depth to the passion of his Aries Sun and Pisces Moon and Mercury. When Vesta is at opposition in Scorpio or Sagittarius, it reaches a brightness sufficient to make it visible to the naked eye from a dark sky, which makes its influence much greater than in most natal charts. Vesta in Scorpio in the third also makes Chávez a good organiser, and more idealistic than would be expected with planets in earth signs.
 
According to César himself, he developed his ideals of nonviolence from Catholic Worker founder Dorothy Day. If one does a synastry of these two charts, one sees César's Vesta in Scorpio and Sun in Aries forming a golden yod with Dorothy's Sun and Gemini Ascendant. One would have to read that as symbolising an extremely creative partnership. As both César and Dorothy have Neptune in its natural twelfth house, it is easy to see how this would be directed into a non-violent activity.
 
His strong preponderance of planets above the horizon supports his status as be a very public figure who is concerned to accomplish something important. With Pluto in the eleventh house trine Jupiter, Chávez was passionately driven to give ordinary people more justice than they were able to obtain from powerful landowners in California and Arizona. His Mars in the tenth house, along with his Aries Sun, make him a born leader par excellence.
 
It is noteworthy that Chávez was born fifteen days before Pope Benedict XVI, and that Pope John Paul II was born on the previous occasion Vesta reached naked-eye magnitude.
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