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« on: 14.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Marlon Brando, born 3 April 1924 at 11:00 PM in Omaha NE
 
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A truly magnificent actor just died. Marlon Brando presents a classic case of what can go wrong with too many trines in one's life. He has SEVEN trines that make up a grand fire trine. He had the talent, charisma, and money to satisfy any worldly desire - and he did just that. He bedded many, ate till he was 300 pounds, and retreated to a Tahitian island. He fought for underdog causes and yet he was woefully self-indulgent. Fame and wealth came easily; self-love was a constant struggle. Great actor - tragic life.
  • What accounts for his raw passion and sexual charisma?
  • He has an obvious signature for acting in movies. What is it?
  • How do you interpret his Mars-Pluto opposition squared by a Sun-Moon conjunction?
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #1 - on: 14.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Gretar Erlendsson
 
1. Sun, Moon and Mercury Aries and Venus singleton tells about this raw passion and sexual charisma.
2. Grand trines, Moon-Neptune-Jupiter and Sun-Neptune-Jupiter is obvious signature about acting in movies.
3. Lack of self-love and struggle about his inner life is possible because of Mars-Pluto squared Sun-Moon. Difficulty upbringing or difficult relationship between his mother and father.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #2 - on: 14.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
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Hello all
1. Pluto is in its own house in the 8th and this gives sexual strength and its wide opposition to Mars adds some desire. Mars is sextile Uranus and this adds magnetism. Sensual Venus in Taurus and on the descendant shows an interest in a sensual partner.
2. Neptune rules film and stage and although Retrograde it is nevertheless trine his chart ruler Jupiter in the 1st and also trine the Sun and Moon in the 5th house and this combination is good for being in the public eye
3. Looking at the signs involved this T square involves the self Aries, the Father Capricorn and the Mother Cancer. His relations with the two of them were tense and difficult. The Moon (mother) is afflicted by Mars and Pluto and this is indicative of further difficulty with the Mother and with women in general. The Sun conjunct the Moon gives him great appeal to and from women but there follows trouble in the relationships. Saturn (R)(father) is therefor afflicted and is opposite Mercury (accidental ruler of the 10th mother) and so this represents both the parents relationship and his own thoughts of dislike(Mercury)for the father (Saturn R) Further complicting the home life is that Neptune ruler of the 4th of father and or family is inconjunct Uranus in the 4th. The dispositor (Neptune, drugs and alcohol)afflicts Uranus in the 4th and thus the family life is unorthodox and alcohol is part of the problem. Uranus also squares his chart ruler in the 1st and this makes for trouble for him in his home life...both early and later on. It also makes him eccentric and unpredictable.
4) It is interesting to note that looking at his progressed chart to the time of death that the P Sun was only 1 deg 40 min from the natal 8th house cusp (I allow a 3 degree orb for progressions and transits)...the cusp of death and just as important was the fact that Transiting Pluto the essential ruler of the 8th house of death was within 1 degree of conjuncion to his chart ruler Jupiter. The P moon was in the house of endings ....the 4th as well.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #3 - on: 15.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Planetary Picture
 
1.What accounts for his raw passion and sexual charisma?  
Mc = Venus/Pluto (An extraordinary power of attraction, an intensified sex expression, an unusual measure of procreative power, a special artistic giftedness. An excessive expression of the sex urge...) = Jupiter (successes in artistic activity) = Sun/Venus (The power of physical love. The power of attraction, popularity, Artistic leanings, uncontrolled love attachment. Pleasure seeking. The beloved man, The artist. Detrimental consequences with regard to health caused by over indulgence or too rich living) = Moon/Venus (A strong feeling of love, the desire for expression of tenderness, artistic talent, success in art)
Sun = Moon = Venus = Mars/Pluto (A passionate disposition)
2. He has an obvious signature for acting in movies. What is it?  
Asc/Mc (Vocation) = Mercury = Venus/Mars (Actors)
Sun = Venus = Sun/Venus (The Artist) = Neptune (cinema)
Asc = Jupiter/Neptune (living in an unreal world)
3. How do you interpret his Mars-Pluto opposition squared by a Sun-Moon conjunction?  
Sun = Moon (=Venus) = Mars/Pluto A hard working man, audacity and daring, impulsiveness, ambition. Attaining one's own objectives through violent measures, brutality, cruelty - This may reflect his acting role as a master mafioso in "The godfather".
All interpretations are from COSI.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #4 - on: 15.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Wakinya-Ska
 
One of the top ten best actors of all time, the Aries born Brando led his profession in a new direction with his abilities and the passion with which he imbued his characters. Ah but the fate of those born at the New Moon surely had it's way with him. Not even his close friends knew what would come through his gate from moment to moment. Did he ever need a following? NO! He was a pure Aires. Fresh and purely instinctive, he never needed a leader ( or in this case, director ) either. The fifth house Arian ruled by Mars in Capricorn had his own discipline, more exacting than his mentors, more precise than his co-workers and yet....the gusto of the man was frightening. The appetites, the intensity of it all and his intellect. Truly burgeoning with each experience. Jupiter in Sagittarius in the house of Aries. Then his imagination, symbolized by Neptune in Leo in the Ninth House, subtle in it's retrograde focus as an underlying tone of all of the fire houses. It is obvious to me that he chose to act and to do so like no other before or since. He inspired me in numerous ways ( His Pluto on my Uranus; Jupiter on my Mars; Mars on my south node. ) his ability to communicate and the causes he chose. He was specific in his choice of the Native American cause which he communicated so succintly as he turned down his Oscar for the Godfather. Bravo, Sacheen Littlefeather ( or whoever you really are ). This man is still the living embodiment of ART/Culture but not Hollywood's version, or Broadway's or even Western Civilization's. Why do you think he left, in the end. He was a True Aries come to pioneer and pioneer he did. When his job was finished he booked a passage to a more Arian climate. Who else in the field of acting said so much with the twitch of a facial muscle, much less his entire career. God protect you and give you another great role in the unfolding of humanity and soon, I hope.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #5 - on: 18.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User astro-psychologie.com
 
1) What accounts for his raw passion and sexual charisma? Vénus in Taurus in 6th house (the house of work and health) and Pluto in the 8th (higly concerned with power and sex), Mars in the 2nd house (the house of the body)
2) He has an obvious signature for acting in movies. What is it? His magnificent Grand trine in fire, with Jupiter in Sagittarius in the first house (it would be enough in itself for being an actor), Neptune in Leo in the 9th, and Sun Moon in Aries in the 4th. Mercury in Aries in the 5th being the icing on the cake.
3) How do you interpret his Mars-Pluto opposition squared by a Sun-Moon conjunction? This T-Square is in cardinal signs, Sun Moon conjunction being the Apex. It means a difficulty to deal with concentration and to use his own energy properly ; it brings a lot of very deep crisis (including deaths) but a very wide range of possibilities, of success. It is the sign of a very powerful ego for better or worse.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #6 - on: 18.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Southern Cross
 
 The birth certificate TOB is not inaccurate, but such rounded-off times are not proof of any given Ascendant. Thus Scorpio-rising fits Brando´s raw passion, animal magnetism, bad-boy brooding introspection, (bi)sexuality, and troubled life much better than Sagittarius. We lack enough data for a full rectification, but are 100% certain that Robert Jansky came close with 10:37 PM in his "Planetary Patterns," a now out-of-print work of which we have the Portuguese edition.
 Acting is generally associated with solar(Leo) aspects, and Brando´s Sun is part of a fire sign Grand Trine with domiciled Jupiter and Leo Neptune, bringing him luck(Ju) and increasing his legendary image(Ne). The New Moon adds popularity to this charismatic mix.  
 As part of a Pluto-Mars T-square, Brando´s Sun-Moon conjunction also falls in the fifth house of love affairs and children, of which he had many. The Mars-Uranus sextile forms a tight yod to Neptune, the ruler of Brando´s home, and together with ruler Pluto in Cancer(family) explains his many domestic problems. After son Christian(later involved in the Robert Blake-Bonnie Lee Bakley case) killed Cheyenne´s lover Dag Drollet on 16May1990(trJupiter= natal Pluto), Brando spend a wad of money on lawyers to get a reduced sentence, but his daughter still killed herself. Brando biographer Peter Manso believes he was probably responsible for several other suicides, including the young Mexican actress Pina Pellicer on 4Dec1964(Mars at 14*Virgo= Brando´s MC).
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #7 - on: 24.07.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Michael Bradford
 
We can easily see many indications for Marlon Brando's career and passionate nature in his Vedic / sidereal chart. The 10th bhava (house) which indicates career is Leo, ruled by the naturally expressive Sun. The Sun closely conjoins the Moon, the graha (planet) who governs the emotions and represents the public, in the 5th bhava of creativity. This indicates that his career will involve creativity in the expression of his emotions to the public. Sun and Moon, as lords of the 9th and 10th bhavas respectively, form the best possible Dharma-Karma-Adhipati or Royal Yoga (ability, fame, power, and charisma) in the highly auspicious 5th bhava.
The lagna (ascendant) contains Jupiter, natural significator of oratory and ruler of the 2nd bhava (voice) and 5th bhava (creativity). From this position, Jupiter strongly supports the 5th bhava with his 5th aspect. He is in a friendly rashi (sign), is strong as he has Dig Bala (directional strength), and is even stronger as he will go retrograde in less than two days and is already very bright in the sky. These factors strongly enhance his oratorical and acting skills and enable him to use his creativity in a very effective way.
Mars, the lord of the chart, sits in the 2nd bhava which rules the voice, in the nakshatra (lunar mansion) of Purvashada, an ugra (fierce) asterism which indicates aggressive acts and declarations of war (i.e. the Godfather). Mars aspects the Sun and Moon with his 4th aspect and thus carries this ggressiveness into his career and creative emotional expression. But Mars is badly destabilized by the 3rd aspect of Saturn, who is very powerful by being both exalted and retrograde. This increases Mars instability and inclination to withdraw from others (Saturn). The influence of this unstable, aggressive Mars on his already weak (dark) Moon was devastating to his emotional balance, and shows very clearly in many tumultuous events of his life, as well as his raw and powerful acting.
There are at least 3 indications for his passionate nature. First, he has Kama (love) Yoga as the 7th lord is in a positive bhava and both bhava and lord receive only the aspect of a very strong benefic Jupiter. Second, the 12th bhava of 'bed pleasures' is occupied by an exalted, retrograde Saturn, in the rashi of his great friend Venus, who is swakshetra (in own sign) in Taurus. Thirdly, we have a similar pattern to what we saw in the charts of Justin Timberlake and Charlie Chaplin -- i.e., when the 1st, 4th and 7th bhavas are ruled by Mars / Saturn / Venus or Moon, and bhavas and lords are closely connected by occupation, aspect, and disposition, the person's sexual morals will exceed what is considered 'normal'. In MB's chart, 4th lord Saturn aspects 1st lord Mars from the 12th bhava, and is disposited by 7th lord Venus who sits in her own rashi Taurus in the 7th, from where she aspects the 1st bhava.  
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #8 - on: 17.08.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Dhurga
 
1.Raw passion and sexual charisma: grand fire trine anchored in 5th house stellium. 2.Acting in movies: again, grand fire trine of Moon conjunct Sun, Neptune, and Jupiter. Ability to easily visualize and connect with personality and emotion as a form of high espression with a great amount of luck. 3.Mars/Pluto opposition squared by Sun/Moon conjunction: Gettiing into trouble with sex and lovers. Promiscuous sexuality and serious trouble with jealous women. Impulse, appetite, hubris.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #9 - on: 13.09.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Marlon Lives
 
Though the light of Brando has left us, his darker shadow still remains, in many of those men, who wanted to be like him, ever since they felt his true presence on the cinema, as a hero, a personal character whom many related to, and so let it be known that Marlon Brando is still alive in me - an aspiring actor myself, who wants to change the way people watch us on the BIG screen.
Now to the questions above: What accounts for his raw passion and sexual charisma is the way he wanted to express himself as a sexual being, as he was raised in a promiscuous family where both parents went through each other, and other partners while together, and that's perhaps what he was exposed to early on in his life, and so that remained with him for a very long time.
And that's also an important point to note since his parents couldn't find satisfying, or undying love for each other, he too was lost, and struggled hard to find love himself, which he wasn't able to do, even after having many children by different women.
That's my take on it...
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #10 - on: 04.10.2004 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User M
 
Brandos chart in an excellent example of how some souls follow their natal wheels exactly. His personality and phsyicality suggests one who is one of extreme appetites. The ruler of the first house is jupiter (expansion) at home in its own sign of saggitarius. Consequentally, the ruler of the first house, is in the first house, showing the sagitarrian nature that was Brando, larger than life. First by acting with his impressive muscularity and in his later years with extreme obesity. Even when he acted, Brando hogged the screen, rendering his co-actors to supporting roles, nowhere in competition with the grandiose brando. Additionally, the ruler of the first house, squares uranus ruler of the second house of possessions in the fourth house of land. Brandos appetite extended to possesions, raking in millions of dollars in his heyday and spending it on property galore. The square between jupiter (expansion) and uranus (erratic) eventually caused brando to loose much of his money as he aged.  
The fifth house is what brando was all about. Sun and moon conjunction there in aries, shows a person whose parents could never play second fiddle to each other. Sun (father) and moon (mother) conjunction in fifth house of love affairs in fiery aries no doubt, shows too infidelous parents, who pursuit there own selfish lustful inclinations. Add to this, the square of square from pluto, ruler of the eleventh house of friends in the eighth house of sex, shows that many of his parents lovers, were indeed friends and acquaintences. Furthermore, that the conjunction afflicts pluto ruler of the eleventh house (hopes and dreams), shows that his parents infidenlities broke up brandos dreams of a normal family life. Consequentally, his parents indsicretions would replay themselves in Brandos own life when his sex life (eight house)negatively impact his own children (fifth house)
 The conjunction also squares mars in brandos second house, showing that in early life the affairs would cause brando's parents marriage to fail and his finances to become shaky forcing him to leave to ny and work on his own accord. Likewise, these same issues would reappear in Brandons later life, with divorces, love affairs and children out of wedlock afflicting his financial affairs.
Mars in capricorn rules Brandos fifth house of children locked in opposition with pluto in eight house adnd in square with both the sun and moon in fith house. The opposition of mars and pluto from the eight house to tenth house, shows the death of one child. Pluto ruler of the twelth house (prison) in eight house (death) in opposition with mars, ruler of the fifth house of children, shows the incarceration of one child becaus of a murder. In fact it was this mars pluto oppostion squared with sun-moon conjunction which shows both his sons incarceration for murder of his sisters lover (fifth house) and her suicide as a result of the incident.
Mercury as ruler of the seventh in the fifth shows, that marriage partners would start out as lovers. Venus on the descendant at home in taurus,on the descendant line, shows an attraction to beautiful people. However, squared by saturn, ruler of the second house, shows that these marriages would fail and cost brando money.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #11 - on: 03.03.2006 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Diana Paradise
 
I have just been reading his autobiography, BRANDO, side by side with his astro chart. Tho written from his own biased point-of-view, it is a total representation of his chart. Transiting Pluto trined his Ascendant when his star began to shine on stage in Broadway. His Mars/Pluto opposition & tsquare to Sun and Mars indicate a very violent nature which he admits to in his autobiography. His Grand Water Trine made him so consumed with his own feelings of maternal abandonment and abandonment by his early nurse who slept naked with him at night, he couldn't see how impossible he was to his lovers, with his promiscuity demanding that they be faithful and present to him only. He writes that he would fondle his teenage nurse's breasts at night (age 3-7)while she was asleep--she was a heavy sleeper and the two slept naked together--that is emotional incest onto him, which he then acted out with no conscience onto her and all other women later. His book says his father supported him financially when he moved to New York to become an actor. I am amazed he stayed a virgin until he got to New York.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #12 - on: 05.02.2007 at 12:30 [UT] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carol
 
It's been said that the equal house system is our "ideal" self, and with all that stuff in the 5th house, Marlon was certainly our ideal when it came to performing. However, that's the last place his heart really was, and he never minced words on expressing his disinterest and even disdain for acting, Hollywood, and all it stood for.
It's also been said that the Koch house system is who we really are, our deepest, most personal selves, and with that Marlon's Sun and Moon are both in the "homebody" 4th house, which is really what Marlon was with all that that implies.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #13 - on: 22.04.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Astralgoofus
 
Another rounded-off birthtime as they used to do on so many BC's back in the day.
I'm telling you people, it's Scorpio Rising.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #14 - on: 04.05.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carol
 
In his last years Marlon was known for frequently phoning friends or acquaintances out of the clear blue just to chat, sometimes quite late at night. In the Larry King interview it seemed all he really wanted to do was sing little old-fashioned duets with Larry. At least that's when he lit up like a Christmas tree. He was never the least bit secretive and pretty much wore his heart on his sleeve both on and off the screen. He was also grossly obese in his later years, all of which point a whole lot more to a Sagittarian Asc. than a Scorpio one.
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re: Marlon Brando
« Reply #15 - on: 19.05.2007 at 13:30 [UT+1] »
 
reply by Astrodatabank Web User Carol
 
Just one more thing: When he called people on the phone, he'd say "Hi, this is Marlon Bran Flakes." I rest my case.
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